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http://www.theage.com.au/small-business/managing/blogs/the-venture/the-whitecollar-jobs-turning-light-blue-20140903-3eshc.html

This is quite interesting actually and it does really call into question the following -

"Is it really worth going to university?"

What is the purpose of physically going to university? To get an education, I hear you say. Now - could you not do the same thing with the plethora of free online courses going around? Then you say - well, that's not going to get you a job anywhere. To which I say - exactly, and THAT is the reason you physically go to university.

But...it won't even guarantee you a job. And even if you do get a job, prospects aren't great.
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Re: Is it worth going to uni anymore? The white-collar jobs turning light blue
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2014, 09:35:52 pm »
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Re: Is it worth going to uni anymore? The white-collar jobs turning light blue
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2014, 09:49:58 pm »
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Well I think that even if the hourly pay is the same, I would still prefer to do a white-collar job. I have worked blue-collar jobs before (worked ~45 hours per week for 6 months last year at a scrap metal yard) and the pay wasn't too bad, but I didn't enjoy the type of work I was doing. I enjoyed using the computer to type up receipts, and I enjoyed looking at the market and seeing the change in prices every week, but I didn't enjoy physically handling all the scrap metal and sorting through it.

I would take a job I enjoy over a job I don't, even if I have to spend years training for it.
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Re: Is it worth going to uni anymore? The white-collar jobs turning light blue
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2014, 10:52:38 pm »
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Trying to not sound like an MHS student, Uni is more than 'just about the marks'. Let's be honest here. Some of your best memories and friendships are formed through University, something that unfortunately online courses lack. Furthermore, going to uni helps you build key interpersonal skills that are highly favourable to date. Look I know many people say 'I want to do what I love', and I agree with this statement, but the reality is that we all have to do something we dislike for some period of time to access those greater opportunities. For example, you may have to do pre-req units in Uni that you have a distaste for but subsequently enjoy units that follow.

I just want to point out (without having read the article) that white-collar jobs are not glamorous by any means either, especially if we're talking about jobs in areas such as Investment Banking and Hedge Funds, sure the pay is great, but the amount of man hours is phenomenal. 
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« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2014, 07:04:48 am »
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I haven't read the article because I've reached my monthly limit for The Age. But I think this debate is very interesting. Sure, there are some professions where you need to go to uni to become qualified (e.g. Medicine, Teaching, other health sciences etc) but there are also a lot of jobs where you don't necessarily have to go to uni to end up in the same spot. For example, my brother's girlfriend wants to get into PR but her mid year application to transfer into a PR degree didn't get approved. Instead she applied for a few PR internships and she is now working at a PR firm without even being at uni.

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Re: Is it worth going to uni anymore? The white-collar jobs turning light blue
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2014, 08:45:56 am »
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I haven't read the article because I've reached my monthly limit for The Age.

Refresh the page and before it fully loads (ie after the article loads but before it gets blacked out) click the "X" in the URL bar to stop it loading. I imagine you can also turn javascript off but I'm too lazy to do that when this works just as well. I wish my actual subscription login worked for theage :(

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Re: Is it worth going to uni anymore? The white-collar jobs turning light blue
« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2014, 10:38:58 am »
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Refresh the page and before it fully loads (ie after the article loads but before it gets blacked out) click the "X" in the URL bar to stop it loading. I imagine you can also turn javascript off but I'm too lazy to do that when this works just as well. I wish my actual subscription login worked for theage :(

I just go into browser settings and delete all the fairfax website data.
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« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2014, 10:56:27 am »
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Incognito mode works too, as does using another state's version of the age, eg. Sydney morning herald
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« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2014, 05:04:12 pm »
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Too many mickey mouse degrees. Also not enough graduate jobs.
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Re: Is it worth going to uni anymore? The white-collar jobs turning light blue
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2014, 06:14:34 pm »
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Too many mickey mouse degrees. Also not enough graduate jobs.

Call me silly but what is a mickey mouse degree?

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Re: Is it worth going to uni anymore? The white-collar jobs turning light blue
« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2014, 09:31:47 pm »
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Call me silly but what is a mickey mouse degree?

It's a pejorative term for the less vocational or not very rigorous degrees. I personally don't have a problem with them per se, so long as those taking them are aware that the degrees themselves may not yield many tangible benefits. What I don't like is when university's market these degrees as "highly employable", or as teaching skills that are "in high demand in the workforce" when it isn't necessarily the case. (I remember seeing a few a while ago, can't remember any examples off the top of my head atm though, if I do I'll edit them in.)



I actually think the problem lies with the way VCE is structured. You could basically call year 12 the university entrance test. So of course its going to push people to go and study for degrees, because so much time and effort is invested in doing well to provide you with the opportunity to attend university.

We also need to start separate having an "educated" workforce and a "degree-holding" workforce, as they generally are seen as one and the same which is not necessarily the case. Just see how many posts there are on Stalkerspace of people asking for easy units to HD without much work, or actual learning, required. The benefit that the actual "degree" holds is actually very small* when you look at the generalist grad programs (eg the Big 4 accounting firms) that recruit from all degree backgrounds. They are recruiting for the secondary skills that attending university provides, and I think there are probably more efficient ways than university to develop these skills.

*Obviously not true in all cases. I'm talking about general arts, some undergrad science, and most undergrad commerce majors. Not engineering, medicine, accounting law etc. where the actual degree holds value due to regulations. 

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Re: Is it worth going to uni anymore? The white-collar jobs turning light blue
« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2014, 04:32:59 pm »
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Call me silly but what is a mickey mouse degree?

A "mickey mouse degree" is like Arts, Music, Psychology, Media, Communication, Theoretical Maths/Science etc.
Whereas a "real degree" is like Engineering, Law, Medicine, Accounting, Actuarial Studies etc.

It's basically an insult towards degrees which lead nowhere, or have low employment opportunities.
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Re: Is it worth going to uni anymore? The white-collar jobs turning light blue
« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2014, 05:49:56 pm »
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The primary reason universities exist (and have existed for centuries) is to provide an education, they are not job factories or vocational colleges (more or less). IF you want something like that, TAFE is an option. University is about learning first and getting a job second.

What is the purpose of physically going to university? To get an education, I hear you say. Now - could you not do the same thing with the plethora of free online courses going around? Then you say - well, that's not going to get you a job anywhere. To which I say - exactly, and THAT is the reason you physically go to university.

You could learn from online courses but what you forget is that universities predate them by centuries. Online courses have only appeared in the past 5 or so years. So, its not that they were created at the same time. We are in the middle of a paradigm shift (although all history is constant change). Universities have this new challenge and need to find ways to adapt. Classically, universities were *the* place for learning. How online courses change this and how universities respond remains to be seen. They are however not job factories or TAFE's.

But...it won't even guarantee you a job. And even if you do get a job, prospects aren't great.



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