Failing to meet Prerequisite Study Scores

[whitehope]

So I'm pretty sure I won't meet the SS Methods prerequisite of a 25... I was hoping to get into UoM Bachelor of Science, but if I don't meet the prerequisite, what are my other options? I have heard some people mention things like bridging courses, but I don't really understand 

[Aaron]

You can enter another course and whilst you're doing that course, you complete a unit at university level that's equivalent to methods. Then you can request a transfer say, mid-year, provided you have a good enough mark for that unit.

[whitehope]

You can enter another course and whilst you're doing that course, you complete a unit at university level that's equivalent to methods. Then you can request a transfer say, mid-year, provided you have a good enough mark for that unit.

That makes sense, is any course fine? Or does it need to be related? And at the same University you wish to attend, or any?
Thanks!!!

[Aaron]

Yes any course is fine provided you maintain a good average throughout that particular semester and more importantly that unit. If you choose to transfer to another university, your ATAR and averages will be taken into account. However if it's an internal transfer I'm pretty sure only your university marks matter. Note that this only applies if you transfer mid-year in your first year, after that it's just marks that are taken into account and not ATAR.

In my opinion I would try and get into another course at Melbourne, save yourself the hassle - only an internal transfer will be required. In terms of what the 'bridging unit' will be, I don't go to Melb so I wouldn't know. Perhaps someone else on here can answer what unit that is for you

[Clockwork]

If you happen to not make the prerequisite for BSc at UniMelb but get into the BA, the MAST10012 subject is considered equivalent to Methods.

[whitehope]

If you happen to not make the prerequisite for BSc at UniMelb but get into the BA, the MAST10012 subject is considered equivalent to Methods.

Yes any course is fine provided you maintain a good average throughout that particular semester and more importantly that unit. If you choose to transfer to another university, your ATAR and averages will be taken into account. However if it's an internal transfer I'm pretty sure only your university marks matter. Note that this only applies if you transfer mid-year in your first year, after that it's just marks that are taken into account and not ATAR.

In my opinion I would try and get into another course at Melbourne, save yourself the hassle - only an internal transfer will be required. In terms of what the 'bridging unit' will be, I don't go to Melb so I wouldn't know. Perhaps someone else on here can answer what unit that is for you

Thankyou so much!!! 

[dannynips]

Don't mean to be pessimistic trying to be realistic: if you couldn't get a 25 in methods you are unlikely to get good enough grades in MAST10012 to transfer - a lot of people who don't get into courses try and go down a path to get into their course but don't get the grades they need to transfer. 

[Reus]

Don't mean to be pessimistic trying to be realistic: if you couldn't get a 25 in methods you are unlikely to get good enough grades in MAST10012 to transfer - a lot of people who don't get into courses try and go down a path to get into their course but don't get the grades they need to transfer.

It's partially dependent on contextual parameters. I'm sure she'll do better at uni than in a VCE environment with endless pressure and stress.

[dannynips]

[mnewin]

Don't mean to be pessimistic trying to be realistic: if you couldn't get a 25 in methods you are unlikely to get good enough grades in MAST10012 to transfer - a lot of people who don't get into courses try and go down a path to get into their course but don't get the grades they need to transfer.

Yeah but getting less than 25 and getting good grades for the uni maths is a huge differnce in my opinion

Um before you speak do you even know what MAST10012 is? It's a bridging course only for those who got <25 for maths methods.So people who scored >25 cannot enrol into it. It's a course where you're not against those who have done alright. It's a bridging course that helps you meet the pre req provided you pass, it's basically VCE maths methods in 12 weeks.

[Orb]

On a sort of unrelated matter,

Even if Dannynips is wrong in this matter, you don't really have to 'downvote' him simply because his opinion is believed to be wrong. He stated his opinion, whether we believe it's right or wrong is up to facts and our own opinions and biases.
I'm pretty sure 'downvotes' are meant for derogatory terms and hassles/abuses of one another. I can see how it might be taken as slightly abusive but it's more or less him voicing his own opinion.

On a related matter, good luck whitehope! 25 Raw for methods might not be as 'out of reach' as you think it is! Results aren't out yet

[Reus]

Even if Dannynips is wrong in this matter, you don't really have to 'downvote' him simply because his opinion is believed to be wrong. He stated his opinion, whether we believe it's right or wrong is up to facts and our own opinions and biases.
I'm pretty sure 'downvotes' are meant for derogatory terms and hassles/abuses of one another. I can see how it might be taken as slightly abusive but it's more or less him voicing his own opinion.

Haha yes especially when he put an introductory disclaimer to begin with!

[slothpomba]

I got 23 in methods, did MTH1010 at Monash, barely passed.

Take it from someone who has been there and isn't being smug, danny isn't as wrong as some people might think.

Honestly, if for whatever reason you didn't do so well in methods in the first place, it is likely, in a probability sense, that you will have the same issue again. Whatever the issue is will vary: lack of foundation, lack of interest, poor study habits, lack of mathematical ability, etc. I had all these and predictably, guess what happened? I'm not being pessimistic but it is true.

It's an entire 2 years of VCE methods packed into a semester (12 weeks). It will be difficult, many people in my class failed. You can have no illusions about this matter, you must work hard. It is doable, im sure if you work your brains out, above and beyond, you can do it. However, it is above and beyond for a reason. I'm just trying to prepare you for it now, you can do it! But...you must not be complacent and you must remedy what caused you to do poorly in methods the first time around (or, in all likelihood, it will happen again).

Also, i'm not sure what UoM science is like but if math keeps coming up, you will have difficulty if you aren't great at math. I don't know how much math will feature in your chosen area but if it keeps popping up, you must consider how it will affect you. Alternatively, Monash science doesn't require mathematics as a prerequisite, that may be a good option for you. 

[mahler004]

Also, i'm not sure what UoM science is like but if math keeps coming up, you will have difficulty if you aren't great at math. I don't know how much math will feature in your chosen area but if it keeps popping up, you must consider how it will affect you. Alternatively, Monash science doesn't require mathematics as a prerequisite, that may be a good option for you.

(I had a much longer post here, but safari deleted it, so this will have to do.)

Most (all) science courses will require at least a basic level of math competency. Even if you're not solving triple integrals every lecture, you'll definitely need to be good enough at algebra to do basic lab calculations. This even goes for majors which are seen as less-mathematical.

You don't have to like high school math, but you do need to be competent.

Honestly, if for whatever reason you didn't do so well in methods in the first place, it is likely, in a probability sense, that you will have the same issue again. Whatever the issue is will vary: lack of foundation, lack of interest, poor study habits, lack of mathematical ability, etc. I had all these and predictably, guess what happened? I'm not being pessimistic but it is true.

I agree. You need to treat the 'disease' that's causing the poor math results. It's not always just a simple matter of studying more.

It's partially dependent on contextual parameters. I'm sure she'll do better at uni than in a VCE environment with endless pressure and stress.

I agree - but the opposite is just as often true.

All this said, the exam was a few days ago. It's normal to stress over results just after you sat the exam, so it's a little preemptive to be seriously worrying

[slothpomba]

Most (all) science courses will require at least a basic level of math competency. Even if you're not solving triple integrals every lecture, you'll definitely need to be good enough at algebra to do basic lab calculations. This even goes for majors which are seen as less-mathematical.

Finishing my science degree up, i know this silly. Of course you will need basic algebra, arithmetic and statistical knowledge, thats natural for all science courses.

However, i was going more down the path of UoM requiring slightly more harder math in most courses that may be found in the methods course (differentiation, i have no other examples so i just said differentiation...).