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Doing physics at Monash without year 12 physics?
« on: December 16, 2014, 04:06:41 pm »
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I got the required ATAR (hopefully the clearly in doesn't change lol) for a bachelor of science / bachelor of computer science at Monash. I'm wanting to get into computational science in either of physics of life science, so basically I'm looking at either physics or biochemistry as the major sequence of the B.Sc. Thing is, I havn't done physics in year 12. I know this will mean I will need to do the foundation physics class in 1st semester. I'd just like to know if anyone has done this or similar, if you are put at much of a disadvantage by not doing year 12 physics?
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Re: Doing physics at Monash without year 12 physics?
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2014, 04:11:42 pm »
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I did it, as did a few other members on this site. Honestly, there was no disadvantage for foundation physics - the amount and type of assumed knowledge was very weird, and I have yet to find a person who was honestly satisfied with the unit, however you shouldn't be at a disadvantage if you've never done physics before.

HOWEVER, and I can't stress this enough, YOU REALLY need to LOVE physics to actually enjoy this unit at all and not hate it. If it's honestly a case of, "eh, physics could be cool...", I can't imagine you having anything more than an annoying experience with this unit.

If you want to hear more about it, there are two reviews in this topic (one of them being mine).

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Re: Doing physics at Monash without year 12 physics?
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2014, 04:43:11 pm »
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I did it, as did a few other members on this site. Honestly, there was no disadvantage for foundation physics - the amount and type of assumed knowledge was very weird, and I have yet to find a person who was honestly satisfied with the unit, however you shouldn't be at a disadvantage if you've never done physics before.

HOWEVER, and I can't stress this enough, YOU REALLY need to LOVE physics to actually enjoy this unit at all and not hate it. If it's honestly a case of, "eh, physics could be cool...", I can't imagine you having anything more than an annoying experience with this unit.

If you want to hear more about it, there are two reviews in this topic (one of them being mine).

Thank you for the reply and that link, very useful! Also, I see you major in mathematical statistics. How do you find it overall (as open ended as that question is)? How mathematically rigorous is it, if you understand what I mean? I think this would actually suit very well for a pathway to computational science, but, even though I'm definitely not bad at maths, I don't have the strongest background in it (I got a 28 in Methods this year - with not much effort put in if it means anything).
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Re: Doing physics at Monash without year 12 physics?
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2014, 04:55:12 pm »
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Depends how you define rigor, really. :P If you think that statistics is like Further, or that stuff you did in year 10, you'd be very wrong. The most appropriate level of mathematics you've done relevant to statistical inference (the main area of statistics that mathematical statistics relates to) is probability in methods. If you hated probability in methods, DO NOT do mathematical statistics - you will hate it. Also, expect a lot more calculus in maths stats than you had in methods - max/min type problems have a lot to do with stats, plus the amount of calculus you need to define and work with continuous distributions.

Personally, probability was my favourite part of methods, so I quite enjoy the units I'm doing. I feel the statistics major is both very enjoyable, useful, and complimentary to my science studies.

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Re: Doing physics at Monash without year 12 physics?
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2014, 11:41:32 am »
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I did not participate in the foundation physics unit, however I did do "physics for engineering", I can safely say that you will not be put at a disadvantage.
However the course does move a little faster than year 12 subject.
Also As mention above "you have to love physics" if you want to continue with it.

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Re: Doing physics at Monash without year 12 physics?
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2014, 07:33:30 pm »
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Hey I'll be able to provide some insights into this as I'm one of those who didn't take VCE Physics but was required to in uni. Take it with a grain of salt as this is 4 years ago so there will definitely be things that had changed. (The old physics labs were demolished, and is replaced with a much nicer learning environment. My friend tutors first year physics and he said that the labs are currently alot more cooperative instead of in pairs back in our year. Apart from that the content is roughly the same)

Alright so I'll start with foundation physics (PHS1080/ENG1080). This is a combined sci/eng unit where both faculty will share the unit. Personally, I found this unit to be easy and pretty straightforward if you have a solid mathematical background. Specialist maths would help quite abit if you did it in VCE. (From your sig, it appears that you didn't but don't worry they start from the absolute fundamentals). This is your honeymoon physics unit.

With the first semester of physics down, you've probably scored reasonably well in foundation physics and think that you're decent in it. Then comes semester 2 (PHS1022) where you'll be together with the rest of the students which had completed VCE physics and PHS1011 (A harder version of PHS1080). This is when you'll feel the gap in your knowledge. The lecturers will frequently assume a fair bit of previous knowledge so I'll recommend that you read ahead before every single lecture. In this unit, your level of interest in physics will start to show in your progress. The mid semester tests will be brutal and will be the first time a fair number of students get a horrible mark in a test. At the end of this unit, you should be at par with the rest of the cohort who've done VCE physics. You'll just need to work much harder during this semester to fill up the gaps in your knowledge. This unit will be hard but still doable if you're just moderately interested in physics.

Moving onto second year physics, this is where you feel the heat if you're not into physics. I won't go into much detail as there's a few unit review in the relevant thread which you can read up on. I dropped my the science component of my double degree because of second year, second semester physics (PHS2022) when I realized that I started dreading uni because of physics but thats down to each individual.

Anyway in summary, just take up foundation physics (PHS1080), try and understand and appreciate the concepts. Then work really really hard in semester two (PHS1022) and at the end of first year you'll be on the same level as others. From there on, decide on wherever you want to go.

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