English Advanced Question Thread

[imtrying]

Hey:) So I keep seeing this Module B Speeches question popping up in trial papers:
In the context of your critical study, explore how the speaker’s representation of time and place in the speeches contribute to the enduring values of the speeches?   
I'm pretty sure that was an HSC question from a while back so hopefully wont be on the exam, but i have absolutely no idea how id answer that or even what its really asking :/
Could someone decipher this for me please?

[:3]

Hey Guys!
Sorry I did Not know where to put this so feel free to move it to another thread. I was wondering If anyone could tell me what mark I would get for each question. Please notice, I did not do well in the comprehension part of the Trial (6/15) so I am taking extra precaution with my answers and I write more than what the question tells me.

Thanks,
Bobby
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a) Identify ONE technique presented in the visual text that conveys an aspect of discovery
The vector lines of the sea suggest happiness and escape as if the protagonists are being contrasted against being stuck on the dry beach, looking forward to discovering new scenery. The metaphorical "loose yourself" parallels with the happiness expressed by the personas as they are rediscovering or finding feelings of excitement.
Mark:  /2

b) How are new discoveries revealed in O'Donohue's poem
Through the extended imagery of O'Donohue's Poem, it is evident that the second person narration of "Another road takes you Into a world you were never in" indicates the persona witnessing an exploration of physical and self alluded by the "touches that part of the heart" and "where you will discover more of your hidden life". This poem conveys attitudes of newly explored journey which is about to commence as they persona rediscovers what was forgotten being "changed since your last visit" being an example of rhetorical question.
Mark:  /2

c) Illustrate how the remote mountain walk challenges the persona's assumption of the "best restaurant in Italy"
Rorgers 'Just Back:a heavenly walk in Italy' features a group of people exploring the country of Italy, finding new customs and having an unexpected exploration up a mountain. The Best restaurant of Italy is conveyed by Nino's picnic as the scenery of the villages and cathedrals are from a sky point of view. First person narration gives the account of the persona who is exploring this mountain side, notioning all the wonderful items found symbolising the provincial mark of Italy. The imagery of "rocky hills", "wild thyme" and "the village of Priano" helps the audience visualise the scenery which Nino is showing to the tourists.
Mark:  /3

d) Discuss how the article appeals to people who wish to discover new experiences when travelling
Tang's article 'How to go off the grid when you travel' is a great read for those who want to distance them self from technology and enhance their exploration. The concepts put forward such as "leaving your phone at home" and the ironic "need to be validated by their likes" puts the audience out of their comfort zone, giving them a chance to make a change in their journey. The symbolic "unmapped Gems" refers to the unexplored sites which are deemed to be beautiful in nature and resource.
Mark:  /3

e) Evaluate the effectiveness of TWO texts showing how new discoveries can stimulate new ways of thinking
New discoveries are enhanced by exploring what is unknown and distancing oneself from objects which distract the beauty of the journey. Philip Tang's 'How to go off the grid when you travel' and Janet Rorgers 'Just Back:a heavenly walk in Italy', convey ideas of new ways of thinking as they discover different attractions which cannot be missed for the sake of social media. Rorgers puts forward this concept by giving a first person account notioning all the wonderful items found symbolising the provincial mark of Italy. The imagery of "rocky hills", "wild thyme" and "the village of Priano" helps the audience visualise the new scenery which Nino is showing to the tourists. In comparison, Tang brings forward concepts such as "leaving your phone at home" and the ironic "need to be validated by their likes" puts the audience out of their comfort zone, giving them a chance to make a change in their journey. The symbolic "unmapped Gems" refers to the unexplored sites which are deemed to be beautiful in nature and resource. It is evident that these ideas stimulate new and varied ways of thinking due to distancing ones self from social media and grasping ideal concepts.
Mark:  /5

In general (after skimming over your responses without the texts):
- Try explicitly referring to the concepts of discoveries (i.e. from the rubric), rather than vaguely stating it.
- Move away from the simple concepts such as rediscovery or the definition of discovery itself (noticed it in most, except for a couple).
- Don't need to state the title of each text (except for the last question); saying the author or his/her's name is sufficient enough.
- The last question should be set out as a mini essay (i.e. short intro, text 1, text 2, short conclusion).
- Avoid unnecessary retell in the beginning (as the marker has already read it).

[BPunjabi]

In general (after skimming over your responses without the texts):
- Try explicitly referring to the concepts of discoveries (i.e. from the rubric), rather than vaguely stating it.
- Move away from the simple concepts such as rediscovery or the definition of discovery itself (noticed it in most, except for a couple).
- Don't need to state the title of each text (except for the last question); saying the author or his/her's name is sufficient enough.
- The last question should be set out as a mini essay (i.e. short intro, text 1, text 2, short conclusion).

Are you sure for the five marker man? In every other subject exam I have done, 5 markers are like a 8-9 sentence paragraph

[:3]

Are you sure for the five marker man? In every other subject exam I have done, 5 markers are like a 8-9 sentence paragraph

In English, you have to work for your marks.

[jamonwindeyer]

In English, you have to work for your marks.

Just my two cents: It doesn't have to have a short intro/conclusion, and normally I suggest against that. I never did, and (sorry if this sounds cocky, I don't mean it to be) I scored 15/15 in every short answer section I did in the HSC (well I don't have my marks from the HSC itself). Creatives and essays, another story entirely but anyway, it's definitely not required

That said, I agree with :3, you need to work for your marks. I'd view what's there as not quite substantial for a five mark question, you need more depth! I normally constructed my responses around two longer body paragraphs, but a short intro and conclusion may definitely help you get your ideas clear

[jamonwindeyer]

Hey:) So I keep seeing this Module B Speeches question popping up in trial papers:
In the context of your critical study, explore how the speaker’s representation of time and place in the speeches contribute to the enduring values of the speeches?   
I'm pretty sure that was an HSC question from a while back so hopefully wont be on the exam, but i have absolutely no idea how id answer that or even what its really asking :/
Could someone decipher this for me please?

For sure, this is a tough one!! Before I explain it, let me give it to you in a different way:

How has the speaker represented issues of their context in a way that is still relevant to modern audiences?

Notice I've interpreted time and place as context, and "enduring value" as relevance to modern audiences (us)

That might be all you need to decipher this, and I reckon it is better if you take this question in your own direction without me influencing you, but does that rephrasing help you?

[JemexR]

More of an AOS question, but I know I can ask quickly about quote breakdown here, and I couldn't find an appropriate thread on the AOS topic, but could someone help with breaking down this quote for me? I just want to expand on it a little more

"Let him dream of a child / Obedient, angel-mild"

I currently am discussing the use of enjambment and the word choice of angel-mild. Is there a technique related to the first part? Thanks

[jamonwindeyer]

Can someone please just tell me what mark I could score out of each please

(:3, thanks for your time, you gave some awesome advice!)

I would assign these marks! Remember that I give half marks whereas the HSC wouldn't, just so you have a bit of a better idea where you sit

Question 1: 1.5/2
Question 2: 1.5/2
Question 3: 0.5/3
Question 4: 1/3
Question 5: 2.5/5

All the reasons are discussed in :3's feedback. The first, half marks deducted for not explicitly linking to the rubric and expression issues. You'd probably get the full marks for the first one, second one could go either way. Question 3, you didn't answer the question (didn't discuss "challenging the persona's assumption), which forced my hand to give the low mark. Question 4 only vaguely answers the question, and needs more depth to be properly effective (it is shorter than your second 2 marker!). Question 5, you did some good stuff in there and had some effective analysis, but I need more of it, and more links to your Discovery concepts!

I hope those help you get an idea of where you sit!

[ladyofathena]

Hi!
So I'm doing speeches for Mod B and have been looking at different questions. What worries me is how I would be able to write a response to a question regarding structure e.g. A key aspect of the prescribed speeches’ ongoing appeal is their writers’ use of meaningful structure. In your view, to what extent does the structure contribute to the appeal of the prescribed speeches?

How would you recommend I approach this question in my essay?
Thanks!

[jamonwindeyer]

Hi!
So I'm doing speeches for Mod B and have been looking at different questions. What worries me is how I would be able to write a response to a question regarding structure e.g. A key aspect of the prescribed speeches’ ongoing appeal is their writers’ use of meaningful structure. In your view, to what extent does the structure contribute to the appeal of the prescribed speeches?

How would you recommend I approach this question in my essay?
Thanks!

Hey Lady of Athena! These sorts of questions trouble me too; perhaps look at how structure is used to communicate different themes/messages at different times? Distinct style changes or other things can indicate a change in section, that's personally how I would approach it happy to hear others opinions on this!! Good on you for checking out some past papers; I hope you are feeling prepared!!

[ladyofathena]

Hey Lady of Athena! These sorts of questions trouble me too; perhaps look at how structure is used to communicate different themes/messages at different times? Distinct style changes or other things can indicate a change in section, that's personally how I would approach it happy to hear others opinions on this!! Good on you for checking out some past papers; I hope you are feeling prepared!!

Okay, I'll have another look at the speeches. Mod B is my weakest section so it would be preferable that this type of question doesn't come up

Thanks for your help!

[jamonwindeyer]

Okay, I'll have another look at the speeches. Mod B is my weakest section so it would be preferable that this type of question doesn't come up

Thanks for your help!

It seems like a bit of a weird one to ask to be honest! I think your chances are fairly low, but you never know, so best to be prepared

[imtrying]

For sure, this is a tough one!! Before I explain it, let me give it to you in a different way:

How has the speaker represented issues of their context in a way that is still relevant to modern audiences?

Notice I've interpreted time and place as context, and "enduring value" as relevance to modern audiences (us)

That might be all you need to decipher this, and I reckon it is better if you take this question in your own direction without me influencing you, but does that rephrasing help you?

Thank you! I think I can work out an essay from there:)

[g98]

Hi, quick question about word counts in exam essays, we have been told we should be writing 1000 words but i'm averaging about 800 in practice timed responses, is this something that will impact marks much/something to worry about?
Thank you and good luck to everyone 

[justdoit]

In regard to your question, it is better to write 1000 words because obviously you cover more content. However, if you do write 800 words, you still have the same chance of getting a good mark based on how well you answer the question.


Hi, what is meant by dramatic treatment

The question is
‘Shakespeare’s Hamlet continues to engage audiences through its dramatic treatment of struggle and disillusionment.’

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