English Advanced Question Thread

[ssarahj]

Hi guys,
Could someone please clarify what the technique of asyndeton is, like I get it's the removal of conjunction words, but is that all it is?

Hey MarkThor, since you've got the definition clear I'll give an example to hopefully clarify it for you:

Asyndeton: "He was a bag of bones, a floppy doll, a broken stick, a maniac." (On the Road by Jack Kerouac)
What it would be normally without the technique:"He was a bag of bones and a floppy doll and a broken stick and a maniac."

[ssarahj]

hi guys for module b speeches my teacher told me to include expert/critical comments. but i have no idea where i should put them? at the end of the paragraph before the linking statement of in the conclusion?

Hey aimbotted,
Usually critical opinions are used to back up a point you're already talking about, so it makes sense to make them apart of your analysis in middle of your paragraphs.

Just for the record under the current syllabus, you don't have to have critical comments in your essay, so if you're really stuck don't worry too much. I personally read a shit load of critical literary articles about my texts but only used them to help form my ideas and analysis, instead of quoting them word for word. 

[isaacdelatorre]

Hi English Gods of Atarnotes,

I do Elizabeth Barrett Browning poems for Module A, and for all internal exams, my teachers said it was alright to shorten it to EBB.
Is this alright to do in the HSC as I know that some of the markers comments last year talked of 'unwieldy acronyms'

Thank you!!!

[aimbotted]

Hey aimbotted,
Usually critical opinions are used to back up a point you're already talking about, so it makes sense to make them apart of your analysis in middle of your paragraphs.

Just for the record under the current syllabus, you don't have to have critical comments in your essay, so if you're really stuck don't worry too much. I personally read a shit load of critical literary articles about my texts but only used them to help form my ideas and analysis, instead of quoting them word for word. 

thanks <3 <3 <3

[ssarahj]

Hi English Gods of Atarnotes,

I do Elizabeth Barrett Browning poems for Module A, and for all internal exams, my teachers said it was alright to shorten it to EBB.
Is this alright to do in the HSC as I know that some of the markers comments last year talked of 'unwieldy acronyms'

Thank you!!!

Hey! If you write your composer's name in your introduction, i.e. Elizabeth Barrett Browning, then you can just refer to her as "Browning" for the remainder of your essay. So you might say "Browning's poetry collection" etc. Otherwise you can write "Elizabeth Barrett Browning (EEB)" and continue using the abbreviation.
But I would recommend probably avoiding acronyms in this case if you can since its been identified in the markers comments as being a problem. 

P.S. I'm laughing at "English Gods of Atarnotes" 

[studybuddy7777]

Hi English Gods of Atarnotes,

I do Elizabeth Barrett Browning poems for Module A, and for all internal exams, my teachers said it was alright to shorten it to EBB.
Is this alright to do in the HSC as I know that some of the markers comments last year talked of 'unwieldy acronyms'

Thank you!!!

Hey isaac

As long as you say in your introduction "Elizabeth Barrett Browning poems (EBB)" then they must take your acronym.

However, saying "EBB shows the context of a mid nineteenth century woman" without previously stating the full name (completely made up, btw) can lead to an 'unwieldy acronym'

For example saying HM for Hamlet and not referencing it is an unwieldy acronym, as not many people refer to Hamlet as HM.

My source: A 2015 HSC Band 5/6 response for Module C which shortened Art of Travel to "AoT" and Ode to A Nightingale (ORT) to "Ode". Ive studied them and never have we used those acronyms, but they were still accepted. Its okay as long as you explain it like above.

Makes sense? Hope so and hope i could help

[MarkThor]

Hey MarkThor, since you've got the definition clear I'll give an example to hopefully clarify it for you:

Asyndeton: "He was a bag of bones, a floppy doll, a broken stick, a maniac." (On the Road by Jack Kerouac)
What it would be normally without the technique:"He was a bag of bones and a floppy doll and a broken stick and a maniac."

Cool, thanks ssarahj, that cleared things up

[isaacdelatorre]

Hey! If you write your composer's name in your introduction, i.e. Elizabeth Barrett Browning, then you can just refer to her as "Browning" for the remainder of your essay. So you might say "Browning's poetry collection" etc. Otherwise you can write "Elizabeth Barrett Browning (EEB)" and continue using the abbreviation.
But I would recommend probably avoiding acronyms in this case if you can since its been identified in the markers comments as being a problem. 

P.S. I'm laughing at "English Gods of Atarnotes" 

Hey, we were told that the reason we were not allowed to reference her as "Browning" because this is the universally accepted name for her husband Robert Browning and that the marker would be confused. So my teacher said it was alright to call her EBB only in internal exams. Their words were "you may be able to use EBB in the HSC"

Hey isaac

As long as you say in your introduction "Elizabeth Barrett Browning poems (EBB)" then they must take your acronym.

However, saying "EBB shows the context of a mid nineteenth century woman" without previously stating the full name (completely made up, btw) can lead to an 'unwieldy acronym'

For example saying HM for Hamlet and not referencing it is an unwieldy acronym, as not many people refer to Hamlet as HM.

My source: A 2015 HSC Band 5/6 response for Module C which shortened Art of Travel to "AoT" and Ode to A Nightingale (ORT) to "Ode". Ive studied them and never have we used those acronyms, but they were still accepted. Its okay as long as you explain it like above.

Makes sense? Hope so and hope i could help

Thanks guys, I will make sure to write out the full name in the intro; I've gotten so used to writing EBB that I habitually write it when I mean to write the whole name.

Many thanks

[jamonwindeyer]

Hey

This might sound like a really silly question but one of the quotes i was looking to use as evidence has a swear word in it. Is it okay to use that quote or would it be best to chose another??

Thanks !

Hey Caitie! Great question, you definitely can, one of the quotes in my text was, "Give me more life, fucker," and the use of the swear word is actually a technique (use of profanity) as was suggested, you can omit characters, but it is unnecessary

[studybuddy7777]

Hey Caitie! Great question, you definitely can, one of the quotes in my text was, "Give me more life, fucker," and the use of the swear word is actually a technique (use of profanity) as was suggested, you can omit characters, but it is unnecessary

Having the Justice Game (up to 2014) and Cloudstreet (current), if no swearing was a rule then it would actually rule out half the book

Haha that quote is the story of my life going through the HSC 

[birdwing341]

Not that Atarnotes aren't good enough, but UTS is holding a live q&a online, so if you have any questions you want to ask senior HSC markers then head over there

https://www.facebook.com/UTSEngage/posts/10153836784256003

Could be useful

[sudodds]

hey any tips on how to VERY QUICKLY learn/memorise a poem? Just realised that Hollow Men for TS Eliot could actually be nominated, the prospect of which rn makes me want to puke 

[studybuddy7777]

Not that Atarnotes aren't good enough, but UTS is holding a live q&a online, so if you have any questions you want to ask senior HSC markers then head over there

https://www.facebook.com/UTSEngage/posts/10153836784256003

Could be useful

So is macquarie uni not sure when but atarnotes simply cannot beat any live q&a online.. Lol this is a 24/7 q&a

[marynguyen18]

hey any tips on how to VERY QUICKLY learn/memorise a poem? Just realised that Hollow Men for TS Eliot could actually be nominated, the prospect of which rn makes me want to puke 

why do you think its Hollow Men? and i would say to say the poem out loud

[sudodds]

why do you think its Hollow Men? and i would say to say the poem out loud

I don't know whether it will be, but that is the one poem where if they nominate it I will literally have nothing to write I'm not too worried about memorising the quotes, more so what the poem is actually saying :/ I find that one the most confusing, especially because I was away when we did it in class.