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Re: Free AOS Creative Writing Marking!
« Reply #480 on: February 08, 2017, 10:49:08 pm »
wait is this jawline boy as in general maths lecture jawline boy omg. not really qualified to mark your creative soz (though I'm sure you'll get an incred response soon - I know I did last year, 10/10 would recommend!),  just wanted the opportunity to talk to a celebrity 8)

Ahah if only a got this much gratitude from my teachers.

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« Reply #481 on: February 09, 2017, 12:03:56 am »
Hey Elyse, Jawline boy here  :(
I received my creative writing back, which was from last term. The assessment was 40mins Comprehension (4/15 :( ), 40mins Essay (9/15), and 40mins Creative Writing (9/15). We could bring a sheet of handwritten notes. For the creative piece, we had to "Compose an original narrative that explores the creative and emotional impacts of discovery." Also, we had to choose a "starter", and I chose "The bridge appeared to step out into the clouds." However, on the day an unseen visual stimulus was given, and was a picture taken from a New-York High-Rise, looking down at Central Park in the Autumn (red leaves...) I thought the unseen stimulus worked perfectly with my text already.

My results were given, and included the teachers side notes of my 'cliches'. If you do pick up on any bad 'cliches', please let me know. She had also circled words, in which she didn't understand, however they were simply onomatopoeia. I am bad with my tenses, and it was a major flaw in my piece. I'm going to ask for it to be remarked, because the "English Studies" teachers marked it, and numerous people (including advanced) are asking it to be remarked.

Thank you so much, and please contact me if you're unsure of anything.

Hey! Awesome work getting your post count up, excited to give you some detailed feedback ;D

Your Creative is attached in the spoiler below, my comments are in bold, but I've told myself to ignore any tense issues because you've picked up on that already ;D

Creative
Compose an original narrative that explores the creative and emotional impacts of discovery.

Ivan Duric watched the Brooklyn Bridge step out into the clouds from his office chair, ignoring the papers that were due two weeks ago. I like the use of starter - Sets the New York office scene quickly and establishes the fact that the character is behind (=stressed) immediately. Subtle but nice! He shifted his focus onto a dark spot on the glass pane, when he overheard a conversation between his co-workers. “I’ve bought my dad a Rolex for Fathers Day. What about you?” the female executive member boasted out aloud. A few things to be careful of with dialogue - It needs to start on a new line, as a mechanical thing. More importantly, it needs to feel natural. This does a decent job, but it does feel just a little manufactured. The start of the conversation feels weird - It would almost seem a little more natural to jump in mid conversation - "...a Rolex, cost me a bloody fortune but that's what you do I suppose. How bout you?“ - Just an example. Nothing unfortunately, my father passed away last year.” the intern replied. Ivan heard the conversation from his cubicle, which triggered his reoccurring flashback. Conversation line triggering a flashback = Cliche. I wouldn't say a super bad one but a cliche nonetheless.
 
I’m standing on the bus crammed like tuna in a can. This simile feels a little forced - It has an almost comedic effect because it's like, "Why is this guy being compared to tuna in a can?" There is actually a technique name for that, but it doesn't quite feel right here. I’m running away from my father - Jeuz, he ruined my life after years of abuse. I mentioned it before - SHOW me this, don't tell it. Potential for a really powerful scene there instead of a passing mention. The bus abruptly comes to a halt. I try to grasp the handles, but the cheap-cloth ripped as I applied the weight on my shoulders. The passengers flinch at the thud of the police baton against the window, “Get out now!” the soldier orders. A wave of chills run down my spine, I try to squeeze and peer through the reaching arms of others, to find the familiar voice, but to my surprise its my father. A little awkward word choice there - It's a familiar voice, but there is still surprise that its the father. Just a little inconsistency. I leap out of the bus and run towards the dense forest, I look behind as I run, to see my father chasing after me. I lose sight of him, for now. Just a note on the transition from third person to first person in that flashback - Is it purposeful? If it is, I sort of see what you are going for, but it doesn't (to me) serve a great purpose and sticks out a little bit as an error. I'd avoid it and stick to either first or third person, as you choose.
 
Ivan sprung up from his chair, as his boss shouted “Ivan!”, he scrambled amongst his messy desk to find the papers that were due two weeks ago. I reckon it would be cool to have just one line, "Ivan!", as a way to break up that flashback. That would also let you stop after"chasing after me." and remove that last sentence, which I know is foreshadowing, but again feels a little forced. The boss questioned him, ”Are you sleeping on my shift? I’ve told you these papers needed to be completed!” Again watch unnatural dialogue, would someone actually say "needed to be completed" if they were really mad? No, they'd say "You know I need this done!" Using lots of dialogue is tough. Try and keep it to short, one phrase exchanges to minimise the chance of it coming off as unnatural. Writing realistic dialogue is something I have a lot of trouble with to this day - It's REALLY hard to get right. Ivan anxiously replied “I’m sorry boss, I’ll have it emailed to you by tomorrow.” His boss now satisfied, he concluded “Call me Jove.” and walked away. A really quick fizzle out there, I'd have the boss be a bit angrier for a bit longer. Ivan then reached into his draw to pull out an orange prescription canister with a skull printed on the label. The 'skull on the label' mark is a little bit misleading - On first read it sounds like they are suicide pills, which sort of comes from nowhere. That's not the case, but I think you should be a little more explanatory here. Twisting the cap with hesitation, tapping a tablet out, and then a couple more. The tablets remained in his hand, as he looked out the window of the office. Ivan contemplates taking the tablets, as he gazed upon the orange and red hues of the swaying trees, but is then reminded about a memory of his childhood. What memory? He dismissed the notion, he swallowed the semi-dissolved tablets, but the guilt blocked his airways, feeling like a bowling ball blocking the passage of air. Again, a little forced simile there. Try not to use techniques just because you need to - It seems like you might be chucking in a simile here or there for effect, purposefully. I appreciate that, but it doesn't quite come across as effectively as it could.
 
The medication was at full-effect, and Ivan finished the papers at midnight, he looked around to find he was alone. Suddenly, the fluorescent office lights turned off section-by-section, the clap crept closer. He threw the papers on his desk into a side bag, then aiming towards the exit. The weep of his father echoed, the sound traveled closer and closer. He dove inside the elevator, relieved as the doors clang close. The horror begun as the elevator came to a halt. He tried to signal help by pressing the emergency button, but only the alarm silenced.  I'm a little confused as to what is happening here; I get that the lights are turning off and he needs to leave, but the urgency feels unfounded. Further, the elevator stops without a real reason (this feels cliche, because its like, why is this happening now).
 
Ivan stared aimlessly at his side bag, when he focused on a letter. He inspected the front of the weathered envelope, and found the post stamp was from Serbia. This feels a little out of nowhere too - How did this letter get there and why did we need to have the elevator jam for this realisation to occur? Be careful not to introduce empty plot elements - Nothing amounts of that elevator jamming, so your job as the writer is to consider, "Well why did I have the elevator jam then?" He slid his fingers in-between the opening, and pulled out a messy handwritten letter.  Letter from loved one revealing a secret = Cliche; but again, not a really bad one in my eyes.

Dear Ivan
I write this letter to you after you ran away from me in Serbia. You’re a quick runner, you must have taken after me. You might not know yet, but I asked my brother Jove to take care of you in New York. I hope he’s taking care of you, and you’re enjoying the office life. Now back to the reason of the letter, (Would someone write that in a letter? Always try and adapt your style to the situation) I want to tell you that i’m sorry, and i’m not angry at you. I understand that I caused you pain and suffering, but i’ve changed. After undergoing several treatments of electroconvulsive therapy, I don't have the angry thoughts anymore, the doctors said I'm ‘cured’. Sudden cure with shock therapy - This is the first 'bad' cliche, and it feels bad because again it seems unfounded. Kind of like, "Oh, okay, well that came out of nowhere." Once they released me out of jail, I signed up for the army. Two more cliches. I just want to thank you for allowing me to be cured, because if it wasn't for you, I would have been the same old angry person, that abused you.
I love you, and miss you
Jeuz Duric, your loving father


The elevator begun working, taking Ivan down to the ground floor. He brushed himself off, and walked towards the main exit of the building, stopping besides a bin. He reached into his side bag, pulling the orange prescription canister out, and the letter, he then threw it into the bin without hesitation. The weight lifted off his shoulders, and he walked freely outside. He stood smiling in the middle of the foot path, amongst the rushing business men.

Alrighty, so I think I can basically summarise my thoughts on how you could improve this Creative in one phrase: Keep it simple.

There is a lot going on in this Creative. For starters, a lot of plot elements. The basic plot is there - Abusive father, runaway child. But then there is the brother, the father goes to jail, the father is cured with electroconvulsive therapy, and then those pills come in too. The elevator jamming is another. All of this is going on and none of it is really explored in depth. It's just sort of thrown at you really quickly and then you move on - And thus, not much of it has significance. You don't explain/explore much properly because you've got so much going on!

A lot of these things are cliched as well, and the big one is probably the brother. The boss being the brother, the person watching over the child from afar, that's like a "Guardian Angel" cliche. But more than that, it's the fact that the brother doesn't really have significance. It would be more interesting if you, say, spent time building up a really negative and antagonistic relationship between the boss and the protagonist. Then to have it all immediately reversed by the letter. That would work! But as it is, it's like, "Oh yep, boss is angry because papers are late. Oh shit he's the brother, damn." Again, it lacks significance, because you've not given me a reason to care about either character. Again, just comes back to trying to do too much at once ;D

This extends to your language use too. A few forced similes (that's how they came across), a lot of "This happened, then this happened" to try and get through your complex story arc. I'm looking for description and powerful conceptual exploration - I'd have loved you to describe an abusive scene from the childhood (carefully). That would give the character some much needed depth and allow us to develop some sympathy for them!

The final consequence of this complicated narrative is that the stimulus isn't quite reflected. I don't have the part of the question that calls for the stimulus, but it would likely ask for it to be a "key feature" or something similar. Having it as the backdrop out the window, without it playing any other sort of key role, isn't quite enough. You could relocate the story to the park and have everything occur on the bench while watching the leaves, maybe with the wind triggering a flashback or something. But it needs to be more significant than, 'this is what I see outside my window.'

Here's what I think you should do. You've got a really cool idea here - I like the conceptual potential. There's lots of little subtleties you can play with. I think you should strip the idea back to bare bones and try to have a rethink of how the story plays out. Consider a ditch of the elevator bit; it feels unneeded to me. Keep it simple!

Sitting in the office, trigger a flashback. Great, abusive past set. Confrontation with boss, then have some reflection of how much the protagonist hates the boss. Great, that's set. Then introduce the letter, flip the whole idea of the boss around and then have some reflection on that. Notice I'm substituting "things happening" for "thinking about things." The protagonist could technically never leave their desk. Of course you don't have the stimulus in that version, but the idea is that I think you'd benefit from less happening, but more reflection on those things! :)

I've gone to town a little bit on this Creative, I go overboard sometimes ;) I hope these comments are helpful; I know all the suggestions might make it seem like your narrative has nothing good going for it. Not the case! It has a great premise that is flexible to explore multiple aspects of Discovery, and that is 70% of the battle. The other 30% is execution, and that's what you need to work on from here :)

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Re: Free AOS Creative Writing Marking!
« Reply #482 on: February 09, 2017, 12:16:57 am »
I was wondering if you could please look over my first draft for my advanced english creative.
We were provided with a stimulus image of a key whole frame, which acted as a vector for the salient image of a white rabbit in a lush green forest:

Hey Anna! Welcome to the forums! Thanks for posting your Creative; we have a rule that you need 15 posts on ATAR Notes for every piece you'd like feedback on. This is just to ensure that the markers don't become too overwhelmed, so we can devote a solid amount of time to the essays/creatives we mark ;D check out the essay marking rules here!

So, I'd be happy to give some detailed feedback once you've reached that 15 post threshold! Ask Kaan709 above you, it doesn't take too long (Kaan had nothing like, two days ago maybe?) I've seen people do 100 in a day (or that might have been me, how embarrassing...)

Anyway, I did have a quick skim; you are a brilliant writer. Like, bafflingly brilliant. I love your style and you encapsulate the tone of your protagonist so well, which makes for extremely effective characterisation. Great use of dialogue, great use of literary techniques, just great all around. Seriously wonderful!

What I think you need to work on is your conceptual element - I love the sense of envy you develop but the transformation at the end feels really rushed and a little confusing. Almost a bit anticlimactic. I like the idea, but I think you need to do more to develop it, and I don't quite think that painting finish does the idea justice, especially in comparison to how much time and how excellently you set up the protagonist's state of mind.

I really, genuinely hope you stick around the forums, ask a few questions and have a bit of a chat (getting your post count up in the process); I'd love to give this some more detailed feedback and help you develop it further! It easily has the potential to be a 15/15 piece ;D amazing work!

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Re: Free AOS Creative Writing Marking!
« Reply #483 on: February 09, 2017, 12:38:26 am »
Hi :D
I was wondering if I could get feedback on my current assessment please. I am having a bit of difficulty because I've never used the technique of stream of consciousness before so I would like to see if what I have done could be considered successful

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Re: Free AOS Creative Writing Marking!
« Reply #484 on: February 09, 2017, 08:15:38 pm »
Hey guys, I'm just after some advice on a potential idea for my creative. So I've written half my creative so far and I really like it so am trying to stick with it, but that could just be me being rigid and/or somewhat lazy!!!! I'm wanting to write the entire thing in third person about a girl who is never actually named, only ever referred to as "the girl" and "she", and then at the very end of the story I'm hoping to somehow reveal to the reader that the narrator is actually just retelling her past. I'm just wondering if that's too overly ambitious for a Year 12 student to try and do?? Thanks!! :D
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Re: Free AOS Creative Writing Marking!
« Reply #485 on: February 09, 2017, 08:30:59 pm »
Hey guys, I'm just after some advice on a potential idea for my creative. So I've written half my creative so far and I really like it so am trying to stick with it, but that could just be me being rigid and/or somewhat lazy!!!! I'm wanting to write the entire thing in third person about a girl who is never actually named, only ever referred to as "the girl" and "she", and then at the very end of the story I'm hoping to somehow reveal to the reader that the narrator is actually just retelling her past. I'm just wondering if that's too overly ambitious for a Year 12 student to try and do?? Thanks!! :D

Hey Soph! I think that sounds like a really cool concept! It definitely doesn't sound too ambitious based on what you've said, and it is definitely not lazy to want to see an idea through to the end ;D

What is the big Discovery concept you are thinking with this? The significance of the ending eludes me a little bit, keen to hear the concept you want to push and if you've thought about ways to adapt it to different stimuli! ;D

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Re: Free AOS Creative Writing Marking!
« Reply #486 on: February 10, 2017, 03:14:12 am »
Hi :D
I was wondering if I could get feedback on my current assessment please. I am having a bit of difficulty because I've never used the technique of stream of consciousness before so I would like to see if what I have done could be considered successful

Hey there!

I'll have a look at this now. It's a super interesting task you've been given!

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POV: of a child at a playground

The day had been really pretty. On a creative level, this opening sentence doesn't grab a reader, set a tone, it only really presents us with the subjective idea of what constitutes pretty. The sky had strips of airy cotton candy and the ball of light held high in the sky shined really bright. I like this description of the sun. The cotton candy in the sky sometimes changes to a grey colour and starts to cry. Maybe its sad because its lonely. I wouldn't want that shiny ball of light to disappear if its my friend. I think its called the s...? Sun! That’s right the sun. It is bad to look at the sun. Mum said it will make you blind if you look at it. I don’t want to be blind. Blind? …

Where is everyone!? To create the clear difference between the speaker and the third person narration, I'd put the speaker on a different line to show it's internal dialogue. Perhaps this contravenes what's been suggested of you, it's just the way that I prefer to read stream of consciousness. The following voice is far too sophisticated to be that of a child that doesn't know the name of the sun. If you intend for this to be all in first person with the stream of consciousness running through, then you need to parallel the vocabulary of the thoughts and the narration. Because blades of grass isn't a description that would be given by someone who doesn't know the sun. It's just about balancing them out to create a cohesive and believable voice. Turning around, faint trails of children running for cover were left behind. The poor, thin green blades of the ground were flattened by a stampede of feet. I inhale. A familiar grassy smell of death. I salute to those who have passed on. The movable mighty fortress with a plank, net, cannon and the all powerful eye scope were left unattended. Did we get attack by an enemy ship? Where is the rest of my comrades? Did they get captured? I must report to the captain. Hurrying along as fast as I could with my little feet. I stand before my captain and his first mate. Captain. I salute. I like that we've so playfully moved onto the captain idea. It proves the stream of consciousness style well, moving from suns to pirates and so on.

The captain and his first mate stood proudly while almost being as tall as the sky itself. Maybe... just a little shorter than the sky. One day I will be tall enough to hit my head against the sky itself. It is only a matter of time. Time? I quickly submit my report and hurry as fast I could to the direction that he nodded. I must find my comrades.

Trudging through the dense dark forest. I scan through looking for survivors. I am brave. Big hairy, dangerous spiders, noisy jumping sticks and dark, scaly dragons will not stand in my way. I close my eyes and run. Run. RUN. BAM! I run into a sturdy tree and fall down holding my sore nose. Oww! I look up at the blurry, big tree. It’s alive?

A tall person with a shiny head. Its so shiny like the sun. Maybe if I put a egg on it’ll cook. I like fried egg. Mum said eggs must be cooked or you’ll get samon... ella?His head is just a big shiny egg. He had a white, hairy caterpillar on his lip that moved as he talked. His neck and  strong arms were covered in black doodles. There is even a dragon! How cool. I wish I had doodles on me. I like colour. My favourite is probably blue. No purple. I love all colours. He must also like colours and drawings. I wonder what is his favourite one. The voice kind of jolts here. I thought we'd suddenly grown up when talking about the report and "comrades" because the vocabulary implies much older thoughts. But then we come back to samon...ella (so cute) and I'm brought back to the younger voice? Although children's conscious thoughts are scattered, they don't have such a consistent flick between mature and immature that we could justify this vocab.

He held a pink fishing rod in one hand and stared at me. ‘Hello’

‘It’s time to go!’ The captain shouted from afar with the crew following behind him like ducklings. He paused and stared at the man with tattoos all over his neck and arms and a scowl on his face emphasised by numerous piercings on his ears, nose and lip. Hands were quickly placed on my shoulders ushering me back towards the playground. Dad looked down and whispered ‘Stay away from people like him. He is dangerous’. I staring blankly and absently nodding.

The sun had shined brightly. But now only tiny spot lights from the sun could peer through the dense heavy clouds onto the cold, uneven pavement. A bustle of sounds and clammer echo through the hallways. Turning over, children ran for cover. Water droplets began to drizzle down from the sky. Before long, the drizzle of droplets started to fall in heavy drops. I inhale. The smell of the earthy soil permeates in the air. Looking up at the sky, several drops of rain fell on my face. I wonder if Mr Williams uses the fish hook on his nose to fish.


I think you're definitely getting the hand of the stream of consciousness style. You create internal voice well, the only problem is that it is as though you are creating multiple voices rather than just one strong, playful, childish voice. Once you create that consistency in voice, the stream will be more realistic and I think you'll have yourself a great result! Things like samon....ella create a childish but truthful voice. It's like the child is sounding it out, and that's what would happen in their head! Great work :)
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Re: Free AOS Creative Writing Marking!
« Reply #487 on: February 10, 2017, 09:55:03 am »
Thank you for your feedback.
I have some questions to ask if that's okay
How else could I begin my narrative instead of 'The day had been really pretty?'
Are there particular techniques or ways I could use to gab the reader's attention?
I can see now that I have accidentally created multiple voices. Would you happen to have any advice on how to maintain a constant voice throughout?
I was also wondering how I could I explores thought-provoking, complex and challenging ideas through a child's voice which is part of the assessment's criteria? I tried to include the idea that a child's response is shaped by what their parents tell them who in turn are shaped by society's perception of others based on their appearance in the last 2 paragraphs? Would it be considered to be effective in fulfilling the criteria or should I do something else?


Hey there!

I'll have a look at this now. It's a super interesting task you've been given!

Spoiler
POV: of a child at a playground

The day had been really pretty. On a creative level, this opening sentence doesn't grab a reader, set a tone, it only really presents us with the subjective idea of what constitutes pretty. The sky had strips of airy cotton candy and the ball of light held high in the sky shined really bright. I like this description of the sun. The cotton candy in the sky sometimes changes to a grey colour and starts to cry. Maybe its sad because its lonely. I wouldn't want that shiny ball of light to disappear if its my friend. I think its called the s...? Sun! That’s right the sun. It is bad to look at the sun. Mum said it will make you blind if you look at it. I don’t want to be blind. Blind? …

Where is everyone!? To create the clear difference between the speaker and the third person narration, I'd put the speaker on a different line to show it's internal dialogue. Perhaps this contravenes what's been suggested of you, it's just the way that I prefer to read stream of consciousness. The following voice is far too sophisticated to be that of a child that doesn't know the name of the sun. If you intend for this to be all in first person with the stream of consciousness running through, then you need to parallel the vocabulary of the thoughts and the narration. Because blades of grass isn't a description that would be given by someone who doesn't know the sun. It's just about balancing them out to create a cohesive and believable voice. Turning around, faint trails of children running for cover were left behind. The poor, thin green blades of the ground were flattened by a stampede of feet. I inhale. A familiar grassy smell of death. I salute to those who have passed on. The movable mighty fortress with a plank, net, cannon and the all powerful eye scope were left unattended. Did we get attack by an enemy ship? Where is the rest of my comrades? Did they get captured? I must report to the captain. Hurrying along as fast as I could with my little feet. I stand before my captain and his first mate. Captain. I salute. I like that we've so playfully moved onto the captain idea. It proves the stream of consciousness style well, moving from suns to pirates and so on.

The captain and his first mate stood proudly while almost being as tall as the sky itself. Maybe... just a little shorter than the sky. One day I will be tall enough to hit my head against the sky itself. It is only a matter of time. Time? I quickly submit my report and hurry as fast I could to the direction that he nodded. I must find my comrades.

Trudging through the dense dark forest. I scan through looking for survivors. I am brave. Big hairy, dangerous spiders, noisy jumping sticks and dark, scaly dragons will not stand in my way. I close my eyes and run. Run. RUN. BAM! I run into a sturdy tree and fall down holding my sore nose. Oww! I look up at the blurry, big tree. It’s alive?

A tall person with a shiny head. Its so shiny like the sun. Maybe if I put a egg on it’ll cook. I like fried egg. Mum said eggs must be cooked or you’ll get samon... ella?His head is just a big shiny egg. He had a white, hairy caterpillar on his lip that moved as he talked. His neck and  strong arms were covered in black doodles. There is even a dragon! How cool. I wish I had doodles on me. I like colour. My favourite is probably blue. No purple. I love all colours. He must also like colours and drawings. I wonder what is his favourite one. The voice kind of jolts here. I thought we'd suddenly grown up when talking about the report and "comrades" because the vocabulary implies much older thoughts. But then we come back to samon...ella (so cute) and I'm brought back to the younger voice? Although children's conscious thoughts are scattered, they don't have such a consistent flick between mature and immature that we could justify this vocab.

He held a pink fishing rod in one hand and stared at me. ‘Hello’

‘It’s time to go!’ The captain shouted from afar with the crew following behind him like ducklings. He paused and stared at the man with tattoos all over his neck and arms and a scowl on his face emphasised by numerous piercings on his ears, nose and lip. Hands were quickly placed on my shoulders ushering me back towards the playground. Dad looked down and whispered ‘Stay away from people like him. He is dangerous’. I staring blankly and absently nodding.

The sun had shined brightly. But now only tiny spot lights from the sun could peer through the dense heavy clouds onto the cold, uneven pavement. A bustle of sounds and clammer echo through the hallways. Turning over, children ran for cover. Water droplets began to drizzle down from the sky. Before long, the drizzle of droplets started to fall in heavy drops. I inhale. The smell of the earthy soil permeates in the air. Looking up at the sky, several drops of rain fell on my face. I wonder if Mr Williams uses the fish hook on his nose to fish.


I think you're definitely getting the hand of the stream of consciousness style. You create internal voice well, the only problem is that it is as though you are creating multiple voices rather than just one strong, playful, childish voice. Once you create that consistency in voice, the stream will be more realistic and I think you'll have yourself a great result! Things like samon....ella create a childish but truthful voice. It's like the child is sounding it out, and that's what would happen in their head! Great work :)
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« Reply #488 on: February 10, 2017, 08:29:39 pm »
Hey Soph! I think that sounds like a really cool concept! It definitely doesn't sound too ambitious based on what you've said, and it is definitely not lazy to want to see an idea through to the end ;D

What is the big Discovery concept you are thinking with this? The significance of the ending eludes me a little bit, keen to hear the concept you want to push and if you've thought about ways to adapt it to different stimuli! ;D


Basically my current storyline starts out set in a classroom, where a girl with OCD and auditory sensitivities gets super overwhelmed (cue fancy descriptive language and adjectives). She wonders if anyone will ever notice her... "Probably not. nobody ever noticed her - except Ms Mason (her teacher), who constantly showed her subtle compassion and understanding." So the girl evidently has a close relationship with her teacher with Ms Mason being nurturing and sympathetic towards her. Somehow I'm wanting to have a time jump (not sure how to do this or if it will even work), where the girl goes to visit Ms Mason years later in a dementia unit. Ms Mason will say something along the lines of "Sorry, do I know you?" or "And what's your name, dear?"... leading to the girl's realisation that she doesn't even know who she really is. Thus, self discovery (and personal and emotional).

There's also a recurring motif of silence, and the girl wanting silence to remove her auditory sensitivities and stop her pain and suffering, and my English teacher suggested that I could perhaps intertwine that notion into the conclusion of the story to have silence in the dementia unit with Ms Mason allowing the girl to discover her true self. This could either be re-discovery or discovering her true self for the first time.

I'm not sure if that even makes sense but hope it helps! Thank you so much!!!!
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« Reply #489 on: February 11, 2017, 12:31:54 am »
I showed my teacher what I had done but she didn't really like it.
So I have rewritten a new one.
I was wondering if could have feedback on how well I've fulfilled the criteria (table I have included)
and advice on how to achieve higher marks in regards to the criteria table

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Re: Free AOS Creative Writing Marking!
« Reply #490 on: February 11, 2017, 07:21:43 am »
I showed my teacher what I had done but she didn't really like it.
So I have rewritten a new one.
I was wondering if could have feedback on how well I've fulfilled the criteria (table I have included)
and advice on how to achieve higher marks in regards to the criteria table

Hey anotherworld, sure you can have some feedback :)

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The sky had strips of airy cotton candy Is this a sunset image? That's what I get, and it's beaaaaautiful! Beautiful language. and the ball of light held high in the sky shined really bright. I look to the left and to the right two times twice before walking across. Just like mum told me to do when the little man turns green. Or was it red? I wonder what we will learn today. I wonder if I will see Mrs Williams and Jack today. I hope I don’t see Mr Williams. He is a tall person with a shiny head. Shiny like the sun. Maybe if I put a egg on it’ll cook. Mum said eggs must be cooked or you’ll get samon... ella? His head is just a big shiny egg. He has a white, hairy caterpillar on his lip that moves as he talks. His neck and strong arms are covered in black doodles. There is even a dragon! I like the shiny stones in his ears, nose and lip the most. But I should run away when I see him. Because mum says he is dangerous… The fault here with the stream of consciousness is that a child wouldn't be describing to themself what this person looks like in the way that it is presented. Currently, it's like you're describing the description of the man, to me, using childish language. The ideas here are great, the dragon, the tattoos, the caterpillar. But to be true to stream of consciousness, we need to think about the exact thoughts someone would have, and I just don't see it as reasonable that a child would describe the description of someone, to a third person, in their head? Unless they had an imaginary friend, which is a whole other ball game!

I feel a tap on my shoulder. I turn around I smile. Jack! You don't think to yourself, "I feel a tap on my shoulder." If you want to make the distinction between the first person narration and the stream of consciousness, this could work. But, it would mean putting your stream in italics, or on its own line, in order to differentiate the storytelling from the thoughts. Because it's unclear right now.

Mum starts talking to Mrs Williams. She has a big, purple and green bruise on her cheek again. She is trying to hide it with her grey scarf with many little holes in it again. Mrs Williams is bad at playing hide and seek. She always wears tops with long sleeves and long pants. Mum has a lot of pretty dresses but Mrs Williams always wears the same two tops. You can always see bruises on her arms and neck even when she tries to hide it. Mum gets angry about Mr Williams and talks to Mrs Williams a lot. Maybe tips on how to be better at hide and seek. Or maybe about how Jack and I can run very fast. We are the fastest in the class. Jack is sometimes faster. Only sometimes. That’s only when Jack doesn’t have his battle scars…  I stare at the dandelion. Dandelion I like that word. Growing through the crack in the path it is even bigger than before. Oh! There is even a red and black ladybug. How cool. I like the serious turn that the story has taken. I like that it's brought up, and then left behind as we carry on with things that would be truly interesting for a child. it works well, because I'm wanting to know more.

I look around walking with Jack. He is walking weirdly today. Maybe he hurt his legs again. I ask if it hurts. He just smiles and says ‘no’. Jack is strong. He but is very clumsy and hurts himself all the time. There is a light in the normally dark, dirty home in corner of the street. Masie’s house. Maybe her big brother is home. I have seen him once. He was so skinny. And had little holes in arms. Maybe mozzies bit him. I heard mum whisper to dad when I couldn’t fall asleep one night. ‘Richard’s gone into a coma. He overdosed?’ I asked mum what is a coma and she said he is just sleeping for a while. I wonder what he dreams about. I hear people say he has been sleeping for a month. He must have nice dreams.

‘We’re here’ mum says. Yay! I look up and our teacher Ms Graves smiling down at me and ignoring Jack. People don’t like Jack. They say he is different. Being different isn’t good. We have to look the same. But I like Jack. He is fun to be around. He can run very fast and is very smart. He always borrows things from me. But its okay because mum said sharing is caring. He wears the same grey shirt with the same car on it. He said it used to be blue and wears it everyday. He even wears the same shoes. I think they are Jack’s favourite clothes.

The sun had shined brightly. But now only tiny spot lights from the sun could peer through the heavy clouds onto the cold, uneven path. Water droplets begin to drizzle down from the sky. Before long, the drizzle of droplets started to fall in heavy drops. I inhale. Looking up at the sky, several drops of rain fell on my face. I wonder if Mr Williams uses the fish hook on his nose to fish. Is this a nose piercing?

I think this is conceptually a lot better than your draft. I think that on a technical level, there are some issues relating to the way the voice is perceived. I've pointed them out and suggestions for adjusting them. It becomes far more comfortable as the story goes on, though, and the reader adjusts to the voice of the child. The issues are essentially, what would the boy actually be thinking, compared to what thoughts are expressed here as a way of advancing the plot?

I enjoy the sinister element to the plot, but I'm confused about who the Mr and Mrs are...at first I thought teachers, and then I thought maybe Jack's parents? But then maisie and Richard are brought into it and the connection between everyone isn't clear. Perhaps just holding onto the Mrs Williams storyline strongest will streamline your story. I think your use of language (the top criteria) is your strongest asset at the moment, because you really capture the childish thoughts. When the sinister aspect of the plot is streamlined, I think the thought-provokingness will increase sincerely!

Overall, a vast improvement and solid effort!
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Re: Free AOS Creative Writing Marking!
« Reply #491 on: February 11, 2017, 01:29:52 pm »
Hey! Awesome work getting your post count up, excited to give you some detailed feedback ;D


Hey, sorry for the late reply. I just had a read, and agree with the feedback. Do you think my mark is fair? would you need to see my marking criteria?

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Re: Free AOS Creative Writing Marking!
« Reply #492 on: February 11, 2017, 01:35:11 pm »
Hey, sorry for the late reply. I just had a read, and agree with the feedback. Do you think my mark is fair? would you need to see my marking criteria?

That's okay! Glad it was useful! Hmm, based on what I'd expect the criteria to be (it would be similar to the HSC Marking Rubric), I'd say the mark is fair :)

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Re: Free AOS Creative Writing Marking!
« Reply #493 on: February 11, 2017, 02:13:19 pm »
I have rewritten my narrative yet again.
I'm sorry for posting so much for this one narrative. I hope you don't mind

My teacher changed this section of the criteria: Quality of ideas explored (issues raised, themes developed, meanings made possible)-the response: Explores thought-provoking, complex and challenging ideas                                                                     
 
To be worth 12 marks. I was hoping to get help in how to explore more complex ideas and how to establish clearly to my reader that my character is speaking to his imaginary friend Maisie. I am not sure what type of dialogue I should use to make sure or techniques to ensure that the stream of consciousness technique is still present in the narrative.
I was hoping to also get feedback on my Expression, Use of narrative point of view and Use of literal and metaphorical language
points for the allocation of marks in the criteria table I have included below.

I apologise if I seem greedy for attention/advice. I simply want to do the best narrative I can do before I hand it in on Friday. (it is my first English assessment of yr 12)

Hey anotherworld, sure you can have some feedback :)

Spoiler
The sky had strips of airy cotton candy Is this a sunset image? That's what I get, and it's beaaaaautiful! Beautiful language. and the ball of light held high in the sky shined really bright. I look to the left and to the right two times twice before walking across. Just like mum told me to do when the little man turns green. Or was it red? I wonder what we will learn today. I wonder if I will see Mrs Williams and Jack today. I hope I don’t see Mr Williams. He is a tall person with a shiny head. Shiny like the sun. Maybe if I put a egg on it’ll cook. Mum said eggs must be cooked or you’ll get samon... ella? His head is just a big shiny egg. He has a white, hairy caterpillar on his lip that moves as he talks. His neck and strong arms are covered in black doodles. There is even a dragon! I like the shiny stones in his ears, nose and lip the most. But I should run away when I see him. Because mum says he is dangerous… The fault here with the stream of consciousness is that a child wouldn't be describing to themself what this person looks like in the way that it is presented. Currently, it's like you're describing the description of the man, to me, using childish language. The ideas here are great, the dragon, the tattoos, the caterpillar. But to be true to stream of consciousness, we need to think about the exact thoughts someone would have, and I just don't see it as reasonable that a child would describe the description of someone, to a third person, in their head? Unless they had an imaginary friend, which is a whole other ball game!

I feel a tap on my shoulder. I turn around I smile. Jack! You don't think to yourself, "I feel a tap on my shoulder." If you want to make the distinction between the first person narration and the stream of consciousness, this could work. But, it would mean putting your stream in italics, or on its own line, in order to differentiate the storytelling from the thoughts. Because it's unclear right now.

Mum starts talking to Mrs Williams. She has a big, purple and green bruise on her cheek again. She is trying to hide it with her grey scarf with many little holes in it again. Mrs Williams is bad at playing hide and seek. She always wears tops with long sleeves and long pants. Mum has a lot of pretty dresses but Mrs Williams always wears the same two tops. You can always see bruises on her arms and neck even when she tries to hide it. Mum gets angry about Mr Williams and talks to Mrs Williams a lot. Maybe tips on how to be better at hide and seek. Or maybe about how Jack and I can run very fast. We are the fastest in the class. Jack is sometimes faster. Only sometimes. That’s only when Jack doesn’t have his battle scars…  I stare at the dandelion. Dandelion I like that word. Growing through the crack in the path it is even bigger than before. Oh! There is even a red and black ladybug. How cool. I like the serious turn that the story has taken. I like that it's brought up, and then left behind as we carry on with things that would be truly interesting for a child. it works well, because I'm wanting to know more.

I look around walking with Jack. He is walking weirdly today. Maybe he hurt his legs again. I ask if it hurts. He just smiles and says ‘no’. Jack is strong. He but is very clumsy and hurts himself all the time. There is a light in the normally dark, dirty home in corner of the street. Masie’s house. Maybe her big brother is home. I have seen him once. He was so skinny. And had little holes in arms. Maybe mozzies bit him. I heard mum whisper to dad when I couldn’t fall asleep one night. ‘Richard’s gone into a coma. He overdosed?’ I asked mum what is a coma and she said he is just sleeping for a while. I wonder what he dreams about. I hear people say he has been sleeping for a month. He must have nice dreams.

‘We’re here’ mum says. Yay! I look up and our teacher Ms Graves smiling down at me and ignoring Jack. People don’t like Jack. They say he is different. Being different isn’t good. We have to look the same. But I like Jack. He is fun to be around. He can run very fast and is very smart. He always borrows things from me. But its okay because mum said sharing is caring. He wears the same grey shirt with the same car on it. He said it used to be blue and wears it everyday. He even wears the same shoes. I think they are Jack’s favourite clothes.

The sun had shined brightly. But now only tiny spot lights from the sun could peer through the heavy clouds onto the cold, uneven path. Water droplets begin to drizzle down from the sky. Before long, the drizzle of droplets started to fall in heavy drops. I inhale. Looking up at the sky, several drops of rain fell on my face. I wonder if Mr Williams uses the fish hook on his nose to fish. Is this a nose piercing?

I think this is conceptually a lot better than your draft. I think that on a technical level, there are some issues relating to the way the voice is perceived. I've pointed them out and suggestions for adjusting them. It becomes far more comfortable as the story goes on, though, and the reader adjusts to the voice of the child. The issues are essentially, what would the boy actually be thinking, compared to what thoughts are expressed here as a way of advancing the plot?

I enjoy the sinister element to the plot, but I'm confused about who the Mr and Mrs are...at first I thought teachers, and then I thought maybe Jack's parents? But then maisie and Richard are brought into it and the connection between everyone isn't clear. Perhaps just holding onto the Mrs Williams storyline strongest will streamline your story. I think your use of language (the top criteria) is your strongest asset at the moment, because you really capture the childish thoughts. When the sinister aspect of the plot is streamlined, I think the thought-provokingness will increase sincerely!

Overall, a vast improvement and solid effort!

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Re: Free AOS Creative Writing Marking!
« Reply #494 on: February 14, 2017, 04:29:32 am »
I have rewritten my narrative yet again.
I'm sorry for posting so much for this one narrative. I hope you don't mind

My teacher changed this section of the criteria: Quality of ideas explored (issues raised, themes developed, meanings made possible)-the response: Explores thought-provoking, complex and challenging ideas                                                                     
 
To be worth 12 marks. I was hoping to get help in how to explore more complex ideas and how to establish clearly to my reader that my character is speaking to his imaginary friend Maisie. I am not sure what type of dialogue I should use to make sure or techniques to ensure that the stream of consciousness technique is still present in the narrative.
I was hoping to also get feedback on my Expression, Use of narrative point of view and Use of literal and metaphorical language
points for the allocation of marks in the criteria table I have included below.

I apologise if I seem greedy for attention/advice. I simply want to do the best narrative I can do before I hand it in on Friday. (it is my first English assessment of yr 12)

Hey anotherworld - I haven't forgotten you! I'll give you feedback on this in the next 24 hours. Sorry for the delay!
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