Year 11 harder than year 12?

[iamdan08]

I have heard off some people that year 11 is in actual fact harder than year 12, because in most cases you are undertaking more subjects which means more exams, more outcomes and as a result more work. Thoughts???

[Nick]

Well it all depends on interpretation I suppose. What you say about workload and exams is correct, but there is a great deal of pressure in year 12 due to the external nature of exams. I also don't think year 11's adopt a mentality whereby they believe year 11 is important and therefore don't complete a great deal of work anyway (a bit of a generalisation, but it depends on the student).

I tend to think that year 12 was definately more stressful due to the necessity to gain a high ENTER, but I don't think the difficulty of the coursework was much greater when compared to the work I completed at year 11 level.

I also believe that most people don't take 1/2 sequences as seriously, as VCAA simply receive a S or N unit result. Students often breeze through year 11 due to this fact and are then in for a rude shock when their numerical markings are sent directly to VCAA for the purpose of study score calculation.

I worked pretty hard in year 11 because I'm a fairly studious individual, so I didn't necessarily find the work that much harder in year 12. Despite this, the times surrounding SACs and exams were mega stressful!

[excal]

...then in for a rude shock when their numerical markings are sent directly to VCAA for the purpose of study score calculation.

Not quite accurate, but the gist is there.

Your ranking in the moderation group is sent into VCAA, not a 'raw' mark as such.

[azhtey]

no way year 12 is a hell of a lot more work...

[Eriny]

I do know many people who breezed right through year 11 and then got quite a shock when it came to results time because they expected to do better. I think people tend to underestimate the general intelligence of the state-wide cohort, they're all much smarter than you think
So in that way, year 12 is harder, because you're competing against super geniuses.

For me, year 11 and year 12 had roughly the same amount of work, but I actually think I was more stressed out in year 11 because I was very stressed for my 3/4 subject because I had no idea what to expect. I probably worked as hard in year 12, but I wasn't as stressed about it.

[mozart]

yes but if you think about it, many of the super super geniuses and the very intelligent few will be obtaining ENTERs of around the 98's+ which then leaves the majority of the other scores to fairly intelligent people and just smart students. So if you think about it, if you do well generally and you are a hard worker, you'll expect to get over 85+ without much trouble as there would'nt be much competition below this score because many of the really really really smart people at the far end of the cohort leaving the general intelligent people to obtain the rest of the high ENTERs and the mid to low ENTERs to the average student.


that's my view of how well a student will do depending on their intelligence.
oh yer and eriny your one of those super super smart people so you would expect yr 12 not to be much different to yr 11 for you considering you brought home 98.4
wow!

[Mao]

lol that made no sense, and i'm going to assume that you made a lot of assumptions

there is always going to be competition...

from what i have read before, ENTER is just ranking of you vs state, and the actual aggregates are normally distributed...
which means at both ends ridiculously small amount of deviations in ENTER could result in very different aggregates [/exaggeration]
but doesnt matter where you are, there's always going to be competition
generalisations and assumptions about a cohort is not a source that you should trust your predictions upon, I know many "fairly intelligent" and "just smart" people who got < 80...

the best thing is to try with everything you've got, at the end of the day you really only have one shot at it (unless ur a total NuTcAsE)

[mozart]

as i said, my view so clearly it's an assumption  but oh well could be true!

[Nick]

...then in for a rude shock when their numerical markings are sent directly to VCAA for the purpose of study score calculation.

Not quite accurate, but the gist is there.

Your ranking in the moderation group is sent into VCAA, not a 'raw' mark as such.

Yes that's correct, the scores are used on the basis of ranking. Despite this, your teacher still sends your raw scores to VCAA and then VCAA moderate the scores accordingly, as well as utilise the scores as a ranking.

[humph]

I have heard off some people that year 11 is in actual fact harder than year 12, because in most cases you are undertaking more subjects which means more exams, more outcomes and as a result more work. Thoughts???

i did more work in yr11 than yr12, but that's basically for the reasons you state.
- did two 3/4s in yr11, plus five 1/2s i think
- did four 3/4s in yr12 plus UMEP maths, and one of my 3/4s (music) was my seventh subject and an obvious throwaway so i spent no time on it

i certainly found yr11 more stressful than yr12 because i didn't have millions of free periods. but i'm probably in the minority on FSN...

[bebobebo]

i didnt do any homework for my 1/2s and did minimal studying for my exams and got at least As for them. focus on your 3/4s but dont entirely neglect your 1/2s

[Collin Li]

No. It isn't. Year 11 doesn't count, it doesn't matter as much - you just need to keep up. It helps if you can learn by osmosis (dcc taught me this phrase today

[iamdan08]

Yes, Coblins right, year 11 doesn't matter as much, but it is still important to do enough work in order to get a firm grounding for 3/4. 

[julzy]

I have heard off some people that year 11 is in actual fact harder than year 12, because in most cases you are undertaking more subjects which means more exams, more outcomes and as a result more work. Thoughts???

No.

[midas_touch]

For the majority, I was actually more stressed and did more consistent work in year 11 than in year 12, probably because I kinda knew what to expect in year 12, plus all the free periods that we had at school . However if I didnt have the hard working mindset I had in year 11, theres no doubt that year 12 would have given me a lot more stress than it actually did.

It helps if you can learn by osmosis (dcc taught me this phrase today

Sif u need to learn by osmosis .