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sentencing decisions
« on: February 02, 2017, 06:24:48 pm »
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i have an essay about factors affecting sentencing decisions and the extent to wish they uphold the rights of victims, society and the offender. Does anyone know an area where the victims rights aren't being upheld?  i can't find any!

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Re: sentencing decisions
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2017, 07:09:05 pm »
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I wrote an essay kind of similar to this a while ago.. points I used for factors affecting sentencing decisions were based around aggravating and mitigating factors (if you haven't studied this yet, it's about factors that add or take away from the length and severity of the sentence.. e.g. repeat offender, if they have good moral character, show remorse). The question for my essay was "Assessment of the role of discretion in sentencing and punishment of offenders, and these are excerpts from the paragraphs I wrote. I hope these may boost your mind or a case might be useful to you!! Good luck.

1. In the case of R v. Wood (2008), the appeal of Wood allowed his sentence to be overturned due to mitigating factors. The discretion of the justice, in overturning his sentence protected the individual rights of Wood, specifically his right to fair trial and the burden of proof. This was the quote is used to back it up: “Judges and magistrates have a wide discretion as to the penalty which is appropriate.” (Justice Bruce Debelle, 2008). Because of this power, Justice McClellan was allowed to overturn the sentence because the burden of proof had not been satisfied.

2. In relation to the application of the rule of law, it can be contended that the role of discretion is ineffective in the sentencing and punishment of offenders. For instance, in the case of R v. Skaf (2002), Skaf was sentenced to 55 years in jail. An implication was that this broke precedent and, therefore, the rule of law was not upheld. As espoused in a report by Dagistani (2007) for the University of Western Sydney, the Crown Prosecutor, who prosecuted the Skaf case, stated that “even a murder does not attract such a severe sentence.” She continues to comment that, “The crimes were not in the worst category of offence, and that the sentence was excessive.”

3. In the case of R v. Gus Forbes (1980), Forbes, an Aboriginal man was found guilty and sentenced to twelve years imprisonment for murder, and eight years imprisonment for rape. However, Aboriginal customary law was taken into account and the sentences were to be served concurrently. Justice Gallop, in sentencing Forbes considered the fact that rape, in Aboriginal communities is not as seriously regarded compared to in a European community and that there was a strong possibility of retributions, by the deceased’s family. Consequently, these factors caused Justice Gallop to mitigate the penalty. This special sentencing discretion which can result in lenient punishment for Aboriginal people is not in society’s interests for fairness and justice. Moreover, as espoused by the Australian Law Reform Commission’s report Recognition of Aboriginal Customary Laws which states “It can be argued that a special sentencing discretion of this kind would be discriminatory or divisive, since it would allow some Aboriginal defendants the possibility of mitigating their sentence in a way not available to other persons.”
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Re: sentencing decisions
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2017, 07:34:39 pm »
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hey sorry thanks for your help but i should've clarified that the case i have to include in my assignment is the roger rogerson glen mcnamara case and there aren't many areas in that case where the victims rights aren't being met

also thanks so much for the 3rd case that will really help my assignment!!! through the fact that mitigating factors can impede on the rights of victims

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Re: sentencing decisions
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2017, 08:09:12 pm »
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Hi,

I think the best approach when answering a question about upholding the rights of victims in sentencing and punishment is to look at victim impact statements. ABC's article about the case (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-15/jamie-gao-murder-trial-roger-rogerson-glen-mcnamara/7466068), provides a victim impact statement;
"No matter what today's findings are or the sentence that is given, it won't change the fact that Jamie remains absent from the lives of our family"

My approach would state that the law is limited in upholding the rights of victims, as no degree of punishment by the NSW Government is able to repair the damages inflicted on the victim. If you want, you can move outside your given case study and speak of the Thomas Kelly case, where the victims mother says "We as a society depend on the courts to protect us ... the loss of another human life must reflect the impact of the crime" (SMH 'Justice for Whom?'). Here you can provide a general criticism towards the cjs' ability upholding the rights of victims, that goes beyond your prescribed case.

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Re: sentencing decisions
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2017, 09:18:52 pm »
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I'm not offering much towards the question at hand, it seems to be answered really well by everyone above!!

I am wondering though, from the perspective of students studying the case, what are some of the legal issues that you are discussing in relation to McNamara and Rogerson? It doesn't slap me in the face as the most significant case for a legal student, so I'm keen for someone to share with me what they are finding interesting in the case(s)!

I will add to the discussion though: There is always the argument with murder that no sentence will ever meet the crime. There's nearly always a discussion about capital punishment in relation to murder, particularly when life sentences are given and this becomes an expensive burden on the tax payer (society). This links wonderfully with the quote that Robert De Robles has provided in relation to VIS!
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Re: sentencing decisions
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2017, 09:24:01 pm »
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I am wondering though, from the perspective of students studying the case, what are some of the legal issues that you are discussing in relation to McNamara and Rogerson? It doesn't slap me in the face as the most significant case for a legal student, so I'm keen for someone to share with me what they are finding interesting in the case(s)!

Will add to Elyse's comment that this is one of those cases that everyone does because it is famous - Famous does not make an effective piece of evidence for a Legal essay :) from what I know about the case (as Elyse has said), it doesn't offer very much besides the fact that it is a high profile case, and the nature of the offenders position in society (which is more an 'OMG' thing than an actually legally relevant thing). Remember to give all your cases due thought - How will it contribute to your argument in a really meaningful and unique way? :)

I wrote an essay kind of similar to this a while ago.. points I used for factors affecting sentencing decisions were based around aggravating and mitigating factors (if you haven't studied this yet, it's about factors that add or take away from the length and severity of the sentence.. e.g. repeat offender, if they have good moral character, show remorse). The question for my essay was "Assessment of the role of discretion in sentencing and punishment of offenders, and these are excerpts from the paragraphs I wrote. I hope these may boost your mind or a case might be useful to you!! Good luck.

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Re: sentencing decisions
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2017, 10:59:42 pm »
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As a case I don't think it has very much to contribute to my legal essay but my school has chosen for us to use this case as our main case (we don't have a choice). So what I have done is gone into extreme detail about every section of the case that is relevant to the question and I've used other cases as well and other areas in factors affecting sentencing decisions that don't relate to the case but to the question.

Im not sure how much detail i could go into in relation to "There is always the argument with murder that no sentence will ever meet the crime." because I've already written the essay and im on 1100 which is the world limit. and plus i have briefly mentioned that but im not sure how i could properly incorporate it. Also the essay should go in detail in the case however it is also meant to be in relation to all victims not just ones that are murdered so im not sure how relevant it would be to put in that point. thoughts?? im open to suggestions....its due monday :)

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Re: sentencing decisions
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2017, 11:04:14 pm »
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As a case I don't think it has very much to contribute to my legal essay but my school has chosen for us to use this case as our main case (we don't have a choice). So what I have done is gone into extreme detail about every section of the case that is relevant to the question and I've used other cases as well and other areas in factors affecting sentencing decisions that don't relate to the case but to the question.

Im not sure how much detail i could go into in relation to "There is always the argument with murder that no sentence will ever meet the crime." because I've already written the essay and im on 1100 which is the world limit. and plus i have briefly mentioned that but im not sure how i could properly incorporate it. Also the essay should go in detail in the case however it is also meant to be in relation to all victims not just ones that are murdered so im not sure how relevant it would be to put in that point. thoughts?? im open to suggestions....its due monday :)

Sounds like you have done all the right things! Using other cases to round out your argument works really well. If you're at your word limit already then definitely not mandatory to expand on Elyse's point - Just something to consider for future essays if you are ever short of things to discuss! ;D

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Re: sentencing decisions
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2017, 12:15:40 pm »
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Sentencing is the balancing act between the interests of the community, the concerns of the victim and the best interests of the offender. Statutory and judicial guidelines inform the exercise of judicial discretion in the area of sentencing. They aim to provide greater uniformity in sentencing matters and enhance the integrity of the process. The Crimes (Sentencing Procedure) Act 1999 NSW is the primary source of sentencing law in NSW:
1).    MAXIMUM Sentences for ALL crimes   [STATUTORY guidelines]
     - The Crimes Act 1900 (NSW) prescribes the maximum penalties.

2).   Standard Non-Parole Periods for SOME crimes   [STATUTORY guidelines]
     - The Crimes (Sentencing Procedure) Act 1999 NSW tells the judge the Standard Non-Parole Period and identifies mitigating and aggravating circumstances.
     - This is what parliament says should be the standard minimum punishment.

3).   GUIDELINE judgements for SOME crimes   [JUDICIAL guidelines]
     - Issued by the NSW Court of Criminal Appeal and are not binding
     - The NSW Sentencing Council has decided that the case R v Henry (1999) was an excellent example of how a judge should decide on the punishment for someone in an Armed Robbery case.
     - So now every judge in an Armed Robbery case must follow what the judge did in R v Henry. This is know as a Guideline Judgment.

4).   MANDATORY life sentences for murdering police   [STATUTORY guidelines]
     -  an automatic sentence set by parliament that must be imposed by the judicial officer for particular offences or repeat offences.
     - They aimed to be a harsh deterrent for repeat offenders and to remove serial offenders from the streets.    
     - Crimes Amendment (Murder of Police Officers) Act 2011
     - Raises the justice issue of whether: ‘Is a police man’s life worth more?’ SMH (2011)
     - Unduly harsh as it removes the ability of the magistrate or judge to consider individual circumstances.