BCom (Melb) 2008 Cohort

[kingmar]

I've virtually followed the course plan in the book. I don't intend to to a Masters in Engineering (I had considered Kopite's path to Chemical Engineering). So, mine looks like this:


306-107 Accounting Reports and Analysis
316-130 Quantitative Methods 1 (quantitative requirement)
316-102 Introductory Microeconomics (compulsory)
800-001 Engineering Systems Design 1 (breadth)

Semester 2
306-106 Business Process Analysis
306-108 Accounting Transactions and Analysis
316-101 Introductory Macroeconomics (compulsory)
732-103 Principles of Business Law

I intend to major in Finance and Accounting. However, if the Dean decides that I am not allowed to major in finance because of the 4 subject requirement, I will readily sacrifice an accounting subject in favour of Finance.

Of course, this delays my accreditation, but I'm under the impression I can follow that up in my honours year.

I think I need to do 316-317 Econometrics in my third year - am I right?

[melodrama]

what's wrong with transition?
meh ppl told me they wagged it anyways xD

[brendan]

what's wrong with transition?
meh ppl told me they wagged it anyways xD

you can go to it regardless of whether you choose to enrol in it. but if you enrol in it, it stuffs up your timetable, and it makes it harder to swap around tutes.

[brendan]

I've virtually followed the course plan in the book. I don't intend to to a Masters in Engineering (I had considered Kopite's path to Chemical Engineering). So, mine looks like this:


306-107 Accounting Reports and Analysis
316-130 Quantitative Methods 1 (quantitative requirement)
316-102 Introductory Microeconomics (compulsory)
800-001 Engineering Systems Design 1 (breadth)

Semester 2
306-106 Business Process Analysis
306-108 Accounting Transactions and Analysis
316-101 Introductory Macroeconomics (compulsory)
732-103 Principles of Business Law

I intend to major in Finance and Accounting. However, if the Dean decides that I am not allowed to major in finance because of the 4 subject requirement, I will readily sacrifice an accounting subject in favour of Finance.

Of course, this delays my accreditation, but I'm under the impression I can follow that up in my honours year.

I think I need to do 316-317 Econometrics in my third year - am I right?

Its better for you if you satisfy the quantitative requirement by doing the subjects i outlined before, because that way you also satisfy the breadth requirement at the same time, so in the end you get to do more commerce subjects. You don't have to scarifice anything if you satisfy the quantitative requirement the way i suggest. Here is your program:

1st year
Semester 1
306-107 Accounting Reports and Analysis*
620-157 Mathematics 1* (breadth) (quantitative requirement)
316-102 Introductory Microeconomics* (compulsory)
732-103 Principles of Business Law (breadth)
Semester 2
620-158 Mathematics 2* (breadth) (quantitative requirement)
306-108 Accounting Transactions and Analysis*
316-101 Introductory Macroeconomics* (compulsory)
306-106 Business Process Analysis

2nd year
Sem1
306-202 Intermediate Financial Accounting*
306-201 Cost Management
325-201 Organisational Behaviour (compulsory)
620-201 Probability* (breadth) (quantitative requirement)
Sem2
306-208 Accounting for Corporate Entities*
732-202 Corporate Law* (breadth)
333-201 Business Finance
620-202 Statistics* (breadth) (quantitative requirement)

3rd year
Sem1
333-302 Corporate Finance
333-301 Investments
306-301 Financial Accounting*
316-317 Econometrics*
Sem 2
333-309 Derivative Securities
306-302 Enterprise Performance Management
306-304 Auditing and Assurance Services*
732-303 Taxation Law* (breadth)

*Subject only available in that semester

So the program I outlined above satisfies:
Accounting honours prerequisites
Accounting major requirement
Finance honours prerequisites
Finance major requirement
CA requirements

[jamesdrv]

That course outline doesn't satisfy the requirements for honours in Finance or Accounting. The "Course Planning Guide" says you need "a grade of H2B or better in four level-3 subjects with a 306 prefix". The same goes for Finance, but with a 333 prefix.

[brendan]

That course outline doesn't satisfy the requirements for honours in Finance or Accounting. The "Course Planning Guide" says you need "a grade of H2B or better in four level-3 subjects with a 306 prefix". The same goes for Finance, but with a 333 prefix.

I was talking about the subjects you ought to do, not the scores you need to achieve. I think that "333" thing is a mistake. It is not consistent with other documents. Better check with the head of department though.

[Collin Li]

what's wrong with transition?
meh ppl told me they wagged it anyways xD

Don't do this for the reason brendan suggested. It takes up places in your timetable, so it makes it harder for you to swap tutes and lecture times around. You can attend them regardless of enrolment, and if you're going to wag them, then putting them on your official timetable is really only a cost to you.

That course outline doesn't satisfy the requirements for honours in Finance or Accounting. The "Course Planning Guide" says you need "a grade of H2B or better in four level-3 subjects with a 306 prefix". The same goes for Finance, but with a 333 prefix.

I was talking about the subjects you ought to do, not the scores you need to achieve. I think that "333" thing is a mistake. It is not consistent with other documents. Better check with the head of department though.

Yes. You will find that no single source is ever good enough at university, LOL. I'm pretty sure it's the way brendan has suggested, it's unlikely they have made the Honours requirement more stringent for New Generation students.

[jamesdrv]

They have made it pretty clear that you can't do a double major in accounting and finance and still do honours. I haven't seen anything to suggest otherwise either. However, that course plan keeps honours open until the end of second year so i guess you could make a decision then.

[Collin Li]

They have made it pretty clear that you can't do a double major in accounting and finance and still do honours. I haven't seen anything to suggest otherwise either. However, that course plan keeps honours open until the end of second year so i guess you could make a decision then.

What is the wording they have used? If it is just about the prefixes, I would say that could easily be a mistake. Honours requirements in the 2007 Handbook have been:

To be eligible for admission to honours in accounting and business information systems, students must have satisfied the requirements of the pass degree and must have achieved a grade average of H2B in at least four level-3 subjects offered within the Faculty of Economics and Commerce. In addition, three of the four subjects must be from the Department of Accounting and Business Information Systems, at least two of them core, with a mark of H2B or better.

To be eligible for admission to honours in finance, students must have completed the requirements of the pass degree, must have achieved an average grade of H2B in at least four subjects offered within the Faculty of Economics and Commerce and must have achieved an H2B in at least three of the four subjects.

[brendan]

They have made it pretty clear that you can't do a double major in accounting and finance and still do honours. I haven't seen anything to suggest otherwise either. However, that course plan keeps honours open until the end of second year so i guess you could make a decision then.

Thats probably because they didn't show u that you can satisfy the quant requirement the way that actuarial students can. If you tried to satisfy the quantitative requirement the normal way then you are right, there is no way you could do it. But if you satisfy it the way that actuarial students do (by doing Math 1, Math 2, Prob, and Stats) then you can do it because you hit two birds with one stone (meet quant requirement and breadth requirement at same time). If you do that, you can do more commerce subjects, hence why I can fit all those finance and accounting subjects in.

edit:
I checked the 'major' requirements for both accounting and finance, and the program i specified meets both.


If:
1. You got 40 or above in spesh
2. You prefer commerce subjects over non-commerce subjects

Then you ought to do this first year program:

1st year
Semester 1
306-107 Accounting Reports and Analysis*
620-157 Mathematics 1* (breadth) (quantitative requirement)
316-102 Introductory Microeconomics* (compulsory)
732-103 Principles of Business Law (breadth)
Semester 2
620-158 Mathematics 2* (breadth) (quantitative requirement)
306-108 Accounting Transactions and Analysis*
316-101 Introductory Macroeconomics* (compulsory)
306-106 Business Process Analysis

This program keeps the most options open for you. It keeps open Accounting, Actuarial, Economics, and Finance.

[kingmar]

According to UoM, the dean is currently consulting over reducing the requirement for honours to 3 subjects - however, I hear a higher grade is needed.

Meanwhile:

1) I haven't done spesh.
2) I want to do ESD 1.

Guess I'll delete the Transition to Commerce sub then.

[brendan]

According to UoM, the dean is currently consulting over reducing the requirement for honours to 3 subjects - however, I hear a higher grade is needed.

Meanwhile:

1) I haven't done spesh.
2) I want to do ESD 1.

Guess I'll delete the Transition to Commerce sub then.

ah no spesh D:

There is another way , but you have to be good with your math still. I think you need to do a test or something.

[kingmar]

No, I prefer to keep my breadth open for some non-commerce, non spesh+ fun.

[brendan]

well in that case you can't do both an accounting and finance major. or honours in both. you have to choose.

[kingmar]

I can do both an accounting and finance major! UoM said so!

I can't do honours in either. I can drop accounting to do Finance honours, and pick up the remaining acc subject in my honours year to attain accreditation.

We will see what the UoM decides.