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« on: December 29, 2017, 03:25:05 pm »
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Trying to organise my additional material but not sure what's a better option to do,
Neighbours or Story of an Hour? Thanks!

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« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2017, 10:43:48 pm »
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Welcome to the forums!! This post could be worth a read to help you decide between the two ;D I know Elyse fiercely recommends Neighbours!

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« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2018, 09:38:48 am »
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im doing story of an hour and comparing it to home burial for folio task

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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2018, 05:07:39 pm »
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hello...every time i try to post my draft it comes up with an error page? some1 told me i have to post 40 times before i can attach something?
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« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2018, 05:11:09 pm »
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hello...every time i try to post my draft it comes up with an error page? some1 told me i have to post 40 times before i can attach something?
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Definitely no restriction on attaching - There is a size limit though! How large is your file? :)

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only 643 kb? ::) :o ;D

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Re: discovery
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2018, 07:16:28 pm »
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Weird - What exactly is the error saying?

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Re: discovery
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2018, 03:30:19 pm »
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to be precise  ;D ;) ::) ??? :-\ :-[

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« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2018, 05:48:25 pm »
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That is one zesty error message! I have no idea what is happening there, what I'd suggest as a workaround would be to upload the file to a cloud service (Drive, Dropbox, etc) and just shoot the link through - I'll mention to our developer that you've had trouble uploading a file though and we'll see if it is something systematic that we can fix :)

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« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2018, 08:59:49 pm »
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hello,
i will just paste it here:

Text One
Still Visual text
Title: Aboriginal Art Library
Author: n/a
Source: https://www.aboriginal-art-australia.com/aboriginal-art-library/
Date of Publication: 2017

Visual text Analysis:
Discoveries can be unique and deeply personal, being diverse and varied as they differ from one person to another. The Aboriginal Art Library shows the nature of discoveries with an open book on top of a wooden table with aboriginal hand paintings in the background. Frosts poem Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening reveals two dichotomous aspects of discovery. The first is sudden and unexpected, as he passes by the same woods everyday but suddenly discovers a glimpse of the beauty of pastoral nature one day. The second is an emotional discovery which is very bleak as he realises he must turn his back on this mystical scene and face the harsh reality of his mundane life.
This can be further emphasised by the use of the salient image of the book which symbolises the ambiguous nature of discoveries and how they can develop and change just as the book will when it is read. The discovery will stand out but its nature cannot yet be determined till the story unfolds, in a sense it will never end. Discoveries are reflective of the individual and can grow and change depending on the person. In the text Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening, the persona stumbles upon a beautiful part of the woods and remarks that he has stopped to watch his woods fill up with snow, symbolising the mysticism and the seductive qualities of the wood. Similarly we are transported to discover new worlds and values as we are enticed into reading a glorious storybook.
Discoveries can be short-lived, as is displayed in both texts. They are wonderful when they are experienced, but one must always turn back to his working life. This is shown in the Aboriginal Art Library text with contrast between the light evolving from the book and the dark background representing the division amongst our leisure and working lives. This is displayed in the poem with the quote And miles to go before I sleep/And miles to go before I sleep, using repetition to exaggerate the distance needed to travel still, adding emphasis to the mundane existence of the working man and creating an atmosphere of resignation.
It is true that discoveries are unique to the individual and vary in nature and diversity, not unlike a book. They reveal to us the ramifications of particular discoveries and how they may differ for individuals and their worlds.
402 words

Text 2
Fiction Text
Title: The Story of An Hour
Author: Kate Chopin
Source: https://archive.vcu.edu/english/engweb/webtexts/hour/
Date of Publication: 1894
Fiction Prose Analysis:
Discoveries are not always easily understood and sometimes evoke feelings of grief which cause conflict between those loved and close to our hearts. Frosts poem Home Burial tells the story of a couple whose babe has died, and the husband is finding it difficult to communicate with his wife as a result of their different ways of dealing with sorrow, his masculine and hers feminine. Similarly, in Kate Chopins novella the Story of an Hour the protagonist experience woe over hearing the death of her husband, but her emotions seem ironic as she suddenly discovers a freedom that only a broken marriage can create.
The type of discovery experienced in the poem is and emotional and physical discovery which is sudden and unexpected. Louise, the protagonist, discovers that her husband is dead and having just got over it, when she suddenly realises he isnt. It is a two stage discovery, proving that discoveries can be false, and they can be confronting and provocative, however intensely meaningful, leading to new worlds and values. This enabled her to speculate about future possibilities. Her reaction to the news can be shown in the quote when the storm of grief had spent itself she went to her room alone. She would have no one follow her. The metaphor storm of grief emphasises her independent personality and feminine spirit, leading to her needing time to get over the sadness alone. This is further emphasised in the next line Into this armchair she sunk, pressed down by a physical exhaustion that haunted her body and seemed to reach into her soul.  Again it is the metaphor that proves her desperately emotional situation, describing her exhaustion as pressing and haunting her body, and seems to reach into her soul. This demonstrates that she cant escape from her fatigue, just as she cant escape from the news of her husband.
Likewise, the type of discovery experienced in the narrative is an emotional one, and leading to new worlds and values the family has discovered that though they have lost all their material things but they still have each other and the love that they share. The story links with the poem in the way that amidst the overwhelming grief they have discovered something beautiful. The quote Three foggy mornings and one rainy day/ will rot the best birch fence a man can build. Exposes his masculine emotions, showing the brevity of life. It is a meaningful analogy, representing his grief, as opposed to the feminine emotions of the woman where her statement is a banal, useless thing to say. Her mindset is further defined in the quote No, from the time when one is sick to death,/ one is alone, he dies more alone, meaning we get over death far too quickly. She is finding it difficult to understand his train of thoughts, where he appears not to understand, but really he is bottling up his emotions inside, as typical of his gender. The repetition of the pronoun You emphasises her tone of accusation as she displays her anger as a way of hiding her intense feelings of heartache. He fixed his chin between his fists showing how he was being aggressive and stubborn as a way of retaliating to her accusations of his character.
Ultimately, these two texts emphasise how discoveries are not always positive, however they can be in two stages and therefore eventually leading to new worlds and values.
574 words

Text 3
Non Fiction Prose
Title: Obamas Farewell Speech
Author: Barack Obama
Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/10/us/politics/obama-farewell-address-speech.html?_r=0
Date of publication: 10th January 2016

Non-Fiction Prose Analysis:
Obamas Farewell Speech displays discovery of human fellowship and how this helps him to discover a driving force that exists in his life and what Barack Obama has undergone throughout his presidency, having positive ramifications on his human nature, causing him to mature. In Frosts poem The Tuft of Flowers, the composer reveals the protagonist to become aware of the social misdeeds that are present in the world that cause his eyes to open to the need of human fellowship. However his dejection results in nature becoming a spur that stimulates a sudden and unforeseen self-discovery, surpassing his former temperament of despair to revitalize his sense of pride and his sentiment of association to humanity.
The transformation of character and morality in Obamas Farewell Speech Obama shows feels a sense of pride and achievement in what he has done and reached through to in himself in serving his country. He is self-driven by curiosity which drives him to discover his own self-worth and the mutual connection with the citizens in his country. Upon speaking about the nations call to citizenship, Obama states that its what led patriots to choose republic over tyranny, using juxtaposition compare the difference between good and bad, and what comes out of doing the right thing for your country. This choice meant that the peoples voices were heard rather than having to fear their cruel leader. Similarly, The Tuft of Flowers reveals the protagonists reflection of peaceful times in the quote some resting flower of yesterdays delight, symbolising the past as being idyllic. This highlights his reflection of self in his history, and how this has changed his outlook of societys people. These opposing texts demonstrate how an individuals journey is shaped by their choices, which in turn expose their true character.
Obamas discovery of maturation that is formed throughout his presidency is achieved by listening to the voices of his fellow American countrymen and striving to lift others up instead of leading in cruel tranny. This can be supported by a quote from his farewell speech You made me a better president. You made me a better man. The use of repetition better emphasises how leading the American citizens has inspired and stimulated him to enhance his probing human nature. This can be compared with a quote from Robert Frosts poem The Tuft of Flowers, I said within my heart, using metaphor to convey his self-reflection that is deeply emotional and has a portion in forming his inquisitive character. Evidently, the texts expose how discoveries and ideas of maturation are shared amongst different personalities.
Ultimately, these two texts reveal how every discovery is sometimes unique to the individual and therefore expose the true strength and weakness of their character.  Their discovery is shaped by choices, and a driving force to discover which is evoked by curiosity, often leading to positive ramifications.
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Re: discovery
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2018, 09:32:31 pm »
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is there any risk of plagarism? who else can see this

Anything posted on our forums is publicly viewable - We've never had an issue with plagiarism though because like, if someone wants to plagiarise, they'll go plagiarise the Band 6 Exemplars in the Notes section. And they'd be caught ;)

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thanks a lot jamon!!

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Re: discovery
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2018, 03:06:03 pm »
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Hello! I'm having a giggle at the precision of that error message  ;D

hello,
i will just paste it here:



Text One
Still Visual text
Title: Aboriginal Art Library
Author: n/a
Source: https://www.aboriginal-art-australia.com/aboriginal-art-library/
Date of Publication: 2017

Visual text Analysis:
Discoveries can be unique and deeply personal, being diverse and varied as they differ from one person to another. The Aboriginal Art Library shows the nature of discoveries with an open book on top of a wooden table with aboriginal hand paintings in the background. Frosts poem Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening reveals two dichotomous aspects of discovery. The first is sudden and unexpected, as he passes by the same woods everyday but suddenly discovers a glimpse of the beauty of pastoral nature one day. The second is an emotional discovery which is very bleak as he realises he must turn his back on this mystical scene and face the harsh reality of his mundane life.  I think you've moved between the two texts here very quickly instead of making the point of contrast very clear. When you say two dichotomous aspects of discovery - do you mean that is shown only within Frost's poem, or are you saying that by viewing the two texts together we can see that?
This can be further emphasised by the use of the salient image of the book which symbolises the ambiguous nature of discoveries and how they can develop and change just as the book will when it is read. The discovery will stand out but its nature cannot yet be determined till the story unfolds, in a sense it will never end. Discoveries are reflective of the individual and can grow and change depending on the person. Although I like the sentiment I think you are expressing about the ongoing, interminable nature of discovery - I don't fully grasp everything you are saying here, mainly in the sentence about the story unfolding. I'm not sure what you mean by the 'story'. In the text Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening, the persona stumbles upon a beautiful part of the woods and remarks that he has stopped to watch his woods fill up with snow, symbolising the mysticism and the seductive qualities of the wood. Similarly we are transported to discover new worlds and values as we are enticed into reading a glorious storybook.
Discoveries can be short-lived, as is displayed in both texts. They are wonderful when they are experienced, but one must always turn back to his working life. This is shown in the Aboriginal Art Library text with contrast between the light evolving from the book and the dark background representing the division amongst our leisure and working lives. This is displayed in the poem with the quote And miles to go before I sleep/And miles to go before I sleep, using repetition to exaggerate the distance needed to travel still, adding emphasis to the mundane existence of the working man and creating an atmosphere of resignation.
It is true that discoveries are unique to the individual and vary in nature and diversity, not unlike a book. They reveal to us the ramifications of particular discoveries and how they may differ for individuals and their worlds. I think the analysis is pretty uneven here. It doesn't need to be 50/50 exactly, but I don't think the Aboriginal Art library was given much weight here and there could be more to it :)
402 words

Text 2
Fiction Text
Title: The Story of An Hour
Author: Kate Chopin
Source: https://archive.vcu.edu/english/engweb/webtexts/hour/
Date of Publication: 1894
Fiction Prose Analysis:
Discoveries are not always easily understood and sometimes evoke feelings of grief which cause conflict between those loved and close to our hearts. Frosts poem Home Burial tells the story of a couple whose babe has died, and the husband is finding it difficult to communicate with his wife as a result of their different ways of dealing with sorrow, his masculine and hers feminine. Similarly, in Kate Chopins novella the Story of an Hour the protagonist experience woe over hearing the death of her husband, but her emotions seem ironic as she suddenly discovers a freedom that only a broken marriage can create.
The type of discovery experienced in the poem is and emotional and physical discovery which is sudden and unexpected. Louise, the protagonist, discovers that her husband is dead and having just got over it, when she suddenly realises he isnt. It is a two stage discovery, proving that discoveries can be false, and they can be confronting and provocative, however intensely meaningful, leading to new worlds and values. This enabled her to speculate about future possibilities. Her reaction to the news can be shown in the quote when the storm of grief had spent itself she went to her room alone. She would have no one follow her. The metaphor storm of grief emphasises her independent personality and feminine spirit, leading to her needing time to get over the sadness alone.  I don't think the connection between "storm of grief" and a feminine spirit is really clear here, I don't really see how one emphasises the other. Maybe work on making this link clearer ;)This is further emphasised in the next line Into this armchair she sunk, pressed down by a physical exhaustion that haunted her body and seemed to reach into her soul.  Again it is the metaphor that proves her desperately emotional situation, describing her exhaustion as pressing and haunting her body, and seems to reach into her soul. This demonstrates that she cant escape from her fatigue, just as she cant escape from the news of her husband.
Likewise, the type of discovery experienced in the narrative is an emotional one, and leading to new worlds and values the family has discovered that though they have lost all their material things but they still have each other and the love that they share. The story links with the poem in the way that amidst the overwhelming grief they have discovered something beautiful. The quote Three foggy mornings and one rainy day/ will rot the best birch fence a man can build. Exposes his masculine emotions, showing the brevity of life. It is a meaningful analogy, representing his grief, as opposed to the feminine emotions of the woman where her statement is a banal, useless thing to say. Her mindset is further defined in the quote No, from the time when one is sick to death,/ one is alone, he dies more alone, meaning we get over death far too quickly In this sentence, look for a technique in the text to analyse so you can strengthen this claim :) . She is finding it difficult to understand his train of thoughts, where he appears not to understand, but really he is bottling up his emotions inside, as typical of his gender. I wouldn't say this is typical of his gender, but instead typical of the contextual constraints of masculinity. The repetition of the pronoun You emphasises her tone of accusation as she displays her anger as a way of hiding her intense feelings of heartache. He fixed his chin between his fists showing how he was being aggressive and stubborn as a way of retaliating to her accusations of his character.
Ultimately, these two texts emphasise how discoveries are not always positive, however they can be in two stages and therefore eventually leading to new worlds and values. I think the analysis in this one is stronger than the last, there's a more direct link between quote, technique, analysis. Try and avoid saying "the quote" when you can, it just jars a little bit.
574 words

Text 3
Non Fiction Prose
Title: Obamas Farewell Speech
Author: Barack Obama
Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/10/us/politics/obama-farewell-address-speech.html?_r=0
Date of publication: 10th January 2016

Non-Fiction Prose Analysis:
Obamas Farewell Speech displays discovery of human fellowship and how this helps him to discover a driving force that exists in his life and what Barack Obama has undergone throughout his presidency, having positive ramifications on his human nature, causing him to mature. Very very long sentence here - I'd rake it back. If this is a thesis statement, I'd not talk about the specifics of his presidency and instead talk about discovery in isolation. In Frosts poem The Tuft of Flowers, the composer reveals the protagonist to become aware of the social misdeeds that are present in the world that cause his eyes to open to the need of human fellowship. However his dejection results in nature becoming a spur that stimulates a sudden and unforeseen self-discovery, surpassing his former temperament of despair to revitalize his sense of pride and his sentiment of association to humanity.
The transformation of character and morality in Obamas Farewell Speech Obama shows feels a sense of pride and achievement in what he has done and reached through to in himself in serving his country. He is self-driven by curiosity which drives him to discover his own self-worth and the mutual connection with the citizens in his country. Upon speaking about the nations call to citizenship, Obama states that its what led patriots to choose republic over tyranny, using juxtaposition compare the difference between good and bad, and what comes out of doing the right thing for your country. This choice meant that the peoples voices were heard rather than having to fear their cruel leader. Similarly, The Tuft of Flowers reveals the protagonists reflection of peaceful times in the quote some resting flower of yesterdays delight, symbolising the past as being idyllic. This highlights his reflection of self in his history, and how this has changed his outlook of societys people. These opposing texts demonstrate how an individuals journey is shaped by their choices, which in turn expose their true character.
Obamas discovery of maturation that is formed throughout his presidency is achieved by listening to the voices of his fellow American countrymen and striving to lift others up instead of leading in cruel tranny. This can be supported by a quotesentiment? statement? refrain? from his farewell speech You made me a better president. You made me a better man. The use of repetition better emphasises how leading the American citizens has inspired and stimulated him to enhance his probing human nature. This can be compared with a quote from Robert Frosts poem The Tuft of Flowers, I said within my heart, using metaphor to convey his self-reflection that is deeply emotional and has a portion in forming his inquisitive character. Evidently, the texts expose how discoveries and ideas of maturation are shared amongst different personalities.
Ultimately, these two texts reveal how every discovery is sometimes unique to the individual and therefore expose the true strength and weakness of their character.  Their discovery is shaped by choices, and a driving force to discover which is evoked by curiosity, often leading to positive ramifications.
476 words Again the analysis between two texts is very uneven but I'm not sure if this is ok based on the task you've been set?

I've put comments in bold in the spoiler! You've got lots of great ideas here and you're analysis skills are quite good, although I think there's room for improvement when it comes to the wording around the quotes - more seamlessly embedding them rather than identifying "as seen in the quote..."
I think the last text is your strongest, maybe non-fiction texts are your forte? Your analysis there is strong! :)
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Re: discovery
« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2018, 09:08:38 pm »
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thanks a lot elyse!! your feedback will help a lot..we r having an early morning lesson tomorrow to go over the task :D
haha well he asked what it said and i cant read it..;)
yes i do prefer essays to creative tho i do love creative when im in the mood but im no good at english

agree w what your sayin bout the about the quote thing..i just find it hard to think of different ways to say it?? ::) :-[ :-\

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