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I'd love some critiquing
« on: October 26, 2009, 12:16:12 pm »
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So I've been trying out different styles for the context section of the exam and I really like this one.  It's intended to be a hybrid of imaginative and expository in that I'm approaching the topic like an essay, but using a first person approach with the occasional conversational tone.  I want it to be kind of informal but not excessively so.

I'd appreciate any commentary, especially regarding the form.  This piece is by no means what I hope to create in the exam, I'm just developing the voice.

Also THIS IS NOT EVEN 1/3 FINISHED so it goes without saying that it's too short and doesn't cover everything it should.

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Prompt:Our relationships with others help us define who we are

"I have a problem with absolute statements.  In fact, I have a bit of a problem with anything that sounds remotely absolute.  That’s why I’m apprehensive about saying relationships help to form identity.  Not that I’m saying its wrong or anything like that, I just think that as a sole, unqualified statement, it fails to cover the topic neatly.  If I had to phrase it, I’d say something like “Belonging contributes to the formation of identity; for better or for worse.” That sounds a lot better to me – much less absolute.  But how do I justify that statement then? That’s the tricky bit.  I’d say that relationships influence identity both positively and negatively, and each in more than one way.  ‘Relationships’ has too many connotations too – to me it hints at friendship with people, when in fact a relationship could be any kind of interaction with another person.  For that matter, it could be interaction with a group or even a relationship with the natural world or something like that.  So don’t assume I’m talking about relationships with individuals when I say ‘relationships’.  Let’s see where I can go with this.

Conformity is seriously dangerous; people compromise their individuality all the time trying to fit in or act according to a set of expectations.  Being born into any kind of family brings with it sets of values and cultural rules. These are of course taken for granted as truths by children (for the large part at least), and it is such assumptions that can lead a person to presume their future must follow a certain path.  For instance in Salinger’s Catcher, Holden sees this kind of conformity all around him, like in Sally Hayes.  Holden presumed (probably correctly) that Sally only wanted to go skating at Radio City because her friends went there.  She wanted to share their experience.  That by itself sounds harmless, yet the impact it could have on Sally’s expectations of the relationship need to be considered.  If Sally did it just because her friends did it and she wanted to say she’d been there, the consequence of this is that her relationship with Holden could be merely a fashion statement – an attempt at showing off to herself and others, but also an act of conformity; reaffirming to herself that she is living the American dream. She even talks about marriage with Holden.  Sally sees marriage as a desirable future, and I think I can tell you why.  She lives at the cutting edge of fashion; she is an archetype of the 1950s American woman; her sense of sense is determined by an attempt to locate herself exclusively from societal reference points, and she judges her success by how closely she simulates this unattainable stereotype of perfection, and also by how envied she is by her friends. This in turn means that Sally unknowingly compromises identity in order to belong and be accepted.  The epitome of what Holden would term a “phony”.  This is of course a simplified and extremely harsh condemnation of both Sally and her society, but it shows how attempting to define one’s self by aspiring to fulfill expectations can prevent growth of individuality.

I see relationships’ impact on identity as being dangerous not only because of conformity, but also because of alienation.  If a person can’t or won’t conform to the expectations of a relationship, does that relationship then have to be severed?"

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Re: I'd love some critiquing
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2009, 12:23:54 pm »
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Woops

"her sense of sense is determined" is meant to be "her sense of SELF"
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Re: I'd love some critiquing
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2009, 02:22:44 pm »
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Shameless self bump.

Please critique!
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« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2009, 08:17:42 pm »
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So I've been trying out different styles for the context section of the exam and I really like this one.  It's intended to be a hybrid of imaginative and expository in that I'm approaching the topic like an essay, but using a first person approach with the occasional conversational tone.  I want it to be kind of informal but not excessively so.


It tends to cross the line from 'conversational' to 'casual'; reign it back in where it does. You know the parts I mean.


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I'd appreciate any commentary, especially regarding the form.  This piece is by no means what I hope to create in the exam, I'm just developing the voice.


The thing about your piece is that it makes me want to read on, not because I have to but because I want to hear what you say next. The ideas are complex but you express them succinctly. You understand that it is about what you say as well as how you say it.

Model your voice on Holden's by all means, but let it stay 'your' voice. Talk to your reader with a clear intention. Tart it up just a bit with some sophisticated vocabulary, too. Make it tighter where it loses clarity and elaborate where you leave the reader thinking '...such as?'

The style suits you. Your voice is emerging with sincerity. Stick to this style -- it suits you -- and work on polishing it.

Experiment with idiom of the time rather than cliches such as "the cutting edge".

Good luck!



Prompt:Our relationships with others help us define who we are

"I have a problem with absolute statements.  In fact, I have a bit of a problem with anything that sounds remotely absolute. (Give some examples of other absolutes  here) That’s why I’m apprehensive about saying relationships help to form identity.  Not that I’m saying its <-- (what? And correct your punctuation.) wrong or anything like that, I just think that as a sole, (use single -- sole has different connotations) unqualified statement, it fails to cover the topic neatly.  If I had to phrase it, I’d say something like “Belonging contributes to the formation of identity;(use a dash here) for better or for worse.” That sounds a lot better (use a synonym) to me – much less absolute.  But how do I justify that statement then? That’s the tricky bit.  

I’d say that relationships influence identity both positively and negatively, and each in more than one way. (Unclear/ ambiguous -- re-word)  ‘Relationships’ has too many connotations too (use a synonym) – to me it <--(What? The word? The idea?) hints at friendship with people, when in fact a relationship could be any kind of interaction with another person.  For that matter, it could be interaction with a group or even a relationship with the natural world or something like that (give an example).  So don’t assume I’m talking about relationships with individuals when I say ‘relationships’. Let’s see where I can go with this.(Hmmm... show, don't tell.)

Conformity is seriously dangerous(Isolate that as a single sentence to give it impact and allow the reader to mull it over... and use a more sophisticated term for "seriously dangerous" -- you could even use a simile or a metaphor... a witty one.) people compromise their individuality all the time trying to fit in or (attempting to) act according to a set of expectations. (LINK IDEAS) Being born into any kind of family brings with it sets of values and cultural rules. These are of course taken for granted as truths by children (for the large part at least), and it is such assumptions that can lead a person to presume their future must follow a certain path.  For instance in Salinger’s Catcher (Full title), Holden sees this kind of conformity all around him,like in Sally Hayes (for instance).  Holden presumed (probably correctly) that Sally only wanted (tense: keep it constant) to go skating at Radio City because her friends went there.  She wanted to share their experience.  That by itself sounds harmless, yet the impact it could have on Sally’s expectations of the relationship need to be considered.  If Sally did it just because her friends did it and she wanted to say she’d been there, the consequence of this is that her relationship with Holden could would be merely a fashion statement – an attempt at showing off to herself and others.

Ironically, it is butalso an act of conformity, reaffirming to herself that she is living the American dream. She even talks about marriage with Holden.  Sally sees marriage as a desirable future, and I think I can tell you why:  she lives at the cutting edge of fashion; she is an archetype of the 1950s American woman; her sense of sense (gotcha!) is determined by an attempt to locate herself exclusively from societal reference points, and she judges her success by how closely she simulates this unattainable stereotype of perfection, and also by how envied she is by her friends. This in turn means that Sally unknowingly compromises identity in order to belong and to be accepted.  (She is) The epitome of what Holden would term a “phony”.  Granted, this is of course a simplified and extremely harsh (<--go for something more sophisticated) condemnation of both Sally and her society, but it shows how attempting to define one’s self by aspiring to fulfill expectations can prevent growth of individuality.

I see relationships’ impact on identity ... (I see the impact relationships have on identity as being dangerous not only because of conformity, but also because of alienation.  If a person can’t or won’t conform to the expectations of a relationship, does that relationship then have to be severed?"
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Re: I'd love some critiquing
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2009, 08:27:52 pm »
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I thought I replied in your thread but my session timed out and it became a new topic called "A critique".

You can read my comments on your piece there... LOL
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Re: I'd love some critiquing
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2009, 08:30:22 pm »
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Re: I'd love some critiquing
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2009, 08:47:43 pm »
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I thought I replied in your thread but my session timed out and it became a new topic called "A critique".

You can read my comments on your piece there... LOL
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Thank you so much that's fantastic, I'll take what you've suggested on board.

Really, thanks.  Just the kind of advice I was after.
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Re: I'd love some critiquing
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2009, 09:02:51 pm »
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Mod Edit: merged again :P

Thank you. 8-)
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Re: I'd love some critiquing
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2009, 09:08:52 pm »
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I agree that I wanted to read on like teacher28 said.

One thing I don't understand is that you start by saying that you don't like absoulte statements (which I in-fact think is a great way to start your essay, it shows a mature thought process on the topic), but then proceed to say "Conformity is seriously dangerous; people compromise their individuality all the time trying to fit in or act according to a set of expectations. " (an absoulte statement)?

I personally would have much rather have seen you follow through with your introduction and maybe not have been so absolute with your contention. It's alright to say that something is 'to a certain degree'... it's probably better that way, especially when your introduction encompasses that sort of thought process.

Also perhaps try and divide your time in the body parapgrahs more equally between discussion of the texts and discussion of real life events.

Very good start.



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« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2009, 09:15:32 pm »
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Also, if you want an Identity and Belonging essay of a fairly high quality then have a read of one I wrote last year.

I don't mean to boast, but this is probably a 10/10 standard essay (as quoted by the English department at my high school last year), or at the very least a 9.

Regardless, I think it's a pretty good example and reading though it would be beneficial.

http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,8375.msg109857.html#msg109857

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Re: I'd love some critiquing
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2009, 09:26:24 pm »
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Thanks Costa.

I go to the same school you went to by the way(won't name it in case you'd rather I didn't).  Amazing English score you got there, how were your SAC marks? (if you don't mind me asking). 
I'm estimating my total SAC marks at the moment to be 185/200, hopefully no lower.  Going by Mao's calculator I'd need a 60/60 on the exam to get at 46 SS.  Such a shame because I only started putting in around september.
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« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2009, 09:34:30 pm »
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Oh thats interesting... hmm I wonder who you are? haha

Thankyou. All my SAC marks were the highest box for the entire year, even though my teacher said I she disappointed with me etc and I wasn't up to scratch etc.

I think I must have done very well on the exam. Language analysis suited me. Text response on AMFAS was exactly what I had prepared for. Context was the same (although my context piece wasn't as good as the one I've written in that link).
So don't fret. Prepare hard for the exam like I did (which consisted of going to school everyday and sitting in the library writing practice essays and giving them to my teacher to mark) and you will be fine.

I think my essay may have been given to you during the year? Or maybe some classes. Dawson had requested my permission to use it as an example at school.

So who are you?

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« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2009, 10:04:23 pm »
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Daniel Hussey, not sure if you know me.  I've been getting that with Cemeljic.. she keeps telling me I could've done better etc but they don't give you exact values.  All I managed to get out of her was the my last sac was 'more than 45/50 but less than 48/50'.. so 46 or 47 I guess.

It might be a tad late for me to get into the habit of handing up essays.. the exam is on Friday! but I might do that...

I will actually, you've inspired me. haha.

I'm not sure if we got any of your work.. we got some stuff at the beginning of the year but they never named who wrote it.  I'm in a such a mess at the moment that I wouldn't have a hope of finding it.
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Re: I'd love some critiquing
« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2009, 11:58:07 pm »
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Daniel Hussey, not sure if you know me.  I've been getting that with Cemeljic.. she keeps telling me I could've done better etc but they don't give you exact values.  All I managed to get out of her was the my last sac was 'more than 45/50 but less than 48/50'.. so 46 or 47 I guess.

It might be a tad late for me to get into the habit of handing up essays.. the exam is on Friday! but I might do that...

I will actually, you've inspired me. haha.

I'm not sure if we got any of your work.. we got some stuff at the beginning of the year but they never named who wrote it.  I'm in a such a mess at the moment that I wouldn't have a hope of finding it.

hey! I know you, you sat in front of me in english!

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