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littlecherry25

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discourse marker and discourse particle
« on: October 31, 2009, 10:18:10 am »
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what is the difference between the two ?

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Re: discourse marker and discourse particle
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2009, 10:29:35 am »
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'you know?' - at the end of an utterence, for example, 'I'm hungry, you know?'

Would you say that it is an interrogative tag or a discourse particle ?

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Re: discourse marker and discourse particle
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2009, 11:07:29 am »
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It doesn't have the interrogative structure, so it's a discourse particle. However, the questioning intonation used means that it functions as an interrogative tag (without being one as such), because it attempts to elicit a response from the audience.

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Re: discourse marker and discourse particle
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2009, 12:24:30 pm »
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Okay. thanks! I have a few more questions

1. Does being rude to someone mean that you flout the maxim of manner? As seen in Insight 2007 Spoken text Question 21?
"the maxim of manner is flouted for comedic value. Phuong and Liam tease Mike by being rude to him"

2. What is the metalanguage used to refer to "..."

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Re: discourse marker and discourse particle
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2009, 12:40:02 pm »
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1. I'm not too sure. The maxim of manner usually refers to the clarity of the interaction, but it could indicate a degree of "disorder" (which is one of the points under the maxim) as it shows them breaching the degree of politeness normally expected.

2. Just call it a pause it if occurs in a spoken text.

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Re: discourse marker and discourse particle
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2009, 12:30:54 am »
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Okay. thanks! I have a few more questions

1. Does being rude to someone mean that you flout the maxim of manner? As seen in Insight 2007 Spoken text Question 21?
"the maxim of manner is flouted for comedic value. Phuong and Liam tease Mike by being rude to him"

2. What is the metalanguage used to refer to "..."

In response to your first point.
The maxim of manner is exceeded because Phuong and Liam used certain lexical choices which created discomfort for Mike which is unnecessary. However if Mike was comfortable with what was being said then the maxim of manner has not being exceeded.

I have not done the insight o7 exam , i've done 06 & 09. Maybe insight o7 tomorrow or VCAA o7 tomorrow. idk . but yeah that was just a general answer without reading the information.
MY second point was taken from the VATE lecture, the guy said one speaker seems like they exceeded a maxim but if the audience(in this case MIke) is comfortable with it then the maxim is not exceeded. I reckon its correct but it may be not. Linguistics, so troublesome.
The VATE dude gave us an example; when ever he talked to his dad, he would ask questions such as how was the football match, his dad said meh etc etc (other questions with minimal responses from his dad), which would exceed Grice's maxim of quantity, thus would usually end the social exchange, however he said him(the speaker at the Lecture) was cool/happy with it because it means he doesn't have to sit there and talk about the same thing for a certain period of time and could move on. So do you think his dad exceeded Grices maxim of quantity? I think so but then again it doesn't really apply because the audience is cool[dont use this word in the exam LOL]].
I'll let you in my exam technique, ‘Make your conversational contribution such as is required, at the stage at which it occurs, by the accepted purpose or direction of the talk exchange in which you are engaged,’ <-Grices Quote which i would use (used it for sac analysis question, 9/10 marks ^^) in order to indicate the point i've made if it applies of course, don't chuck it in there because it sounds wise lol.

I could be wrong from what i just said. its just part of my notes from that lecture that i found potentially useful

second point. idk yet!



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