VCE ALL 3 MATH?

[Stormbreaker-X]

Hello guys
Vce is doing all 3 math a good idea? (General, methods and specialist), I would also do Chemistry, English and Business management


Please give me some advices because I don't want to get into a world of difficulty later on.


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[ashmi]

Hello guys
Vce is doing all 3 math a good idea? (General, methods and specialist), I would also do Chemistry, English and Business management


Please give me some advices because I don't want to get into a world of difficulty later on.


Mod edit: merged double post

When you do 3 types of Maths, do keep in mind only the top 2 highest scoring ones will count. The lowest one will automatically become a 10%! If you are keen and interested in maths, this might be a good option. Methods and Specialist go together pretty well, however, there are some good overlaps too with General/Further and Specialist surprisingly! The big question is can you deal with the massive maths overload? It might be physically and mentally draining to do all 3, especially if you plan to do all 3 in Year 12. If you have already done General Maths Unit 1 & 2, I would recommend doing methods and specialist too! (Just my personal preference). Not many people will do this unless they have completed a unit 3/4 in year 11. I have had a few friends that did Methods 3/4 early and only did Further 3/4 and Specialist 3/4 in year 12 which went pretty well!

Also consider prerequisites and ability. If you find maths to be your thing, I would recommend Methods and Specialist and if you find it too hard later you can always drop down to Further/ General

[Joseph41]

You may also find this article of interest. The author, Luke, did all three maths at VCE level; he goes through some pros and cons.

How I Juggled Three Maths Subjects in Year 12

[Stormbreaker-X]

Thanks for all your reply, I would consider business management unit 3 and 4 in year 11, just to save myself some time in year 12. Although I want to do all 3 math in vce, sometimes I do find complexity to be the problem.

[Stormbreaker-X]

In terms of workload, can you tell me how much work will be involved in further, method and specialist?

[ashmi]

In terms of workload, can you tell me how much work will be involved in further, method and specialist?

In Further, the theory part is quite easy to understand compared to Methods and Specialist! Because of this, it's a lot quicker to get through exercises and still have time to study other subjects! Methods needs a bit more work than Further/general does to fully understand the concepts as most students struggle however, if you get the theory, putting it into practice won't take too long. Specialist is another step from Methods, however, to do Specialist, you must be taking Methods concurrently with it. If you do Specialist and Methods together, it really feels like doing 1.5 times the amount of work instead of it feeling like 2 different subjects. The Specialist work, however, can take a long time to understand if you have weak mathematical skills so I would stay clear if you feel like you can't cope. Know your boundaries! All three maths overlap really well with each other, some in more ways than others (you would be surprised how much of Specialist 1/2 there is in General 1/2 and same with Methods 1/2).

For your year 12 exams, there are 2 exams that must be completed for a maths subject. In Further maths for Exam 1 and Exam 2, you can bring a CAS and a bound reference, however for Methods and Specialist Exam 1, it is done without notes and a CAS and then Exam 2 with Cas and Bound Reference. If you plan to do Methods or/and Specialist, I highly recommend you get good at calculations done by hand!

[Stormbreaker-X]

Thank you for your advices and I will think hard about it.

[Stormbreaker-X]

But I know that I will 100% do methods at least. On top of that should I get a tutor if I do all 3 math?

[ashmi]

But I know that I will 100% do methods at least. On top of that should I get a tutor if I do all 3 math?

Depends on your situation, but I personally don't think you need a tutor for all three maths! Unless you are struggling with your subjects and/or your teachers are not too good, you won't need one. If you put the effort into these subjects and don't slack off, the rewards will come out later. Practise makes progress! If you are someone that dedicates their time effectively and gets help asap from a teacher when you don't understand something, then you shouldn't need one. I've never needed a tutor ever, but for Specialist be prepared to put some time and effort to fully understand what you are doing. Your teachers get paid to help and guide you, so get help as much as you can from them when you get stuck! It genuinely shows them that you want to do well and are willing to put the work in to get the scores you want. If you want extra resources to extend your learning ask them! I'm sure they will be more than happy to help out.
The aim is to work together as a team! This includes your cohort too, form study groups and help each other out!

[Stormbreaker-X]

You are correct, I do want to do well. But people in my school mess around a lot and we have a weak math cohort, will that pull me down?

[Sine]

You are correct, I do want to do well. But people in my school mess around a lot and we have a weak math cohort, will that pull me down?

Weak cohorts doesn't necessarily make it harder to do well or pull anyone down. If the cohort is weak it is much easier to get a high ranking in sacs which is very important.

Also please refrain from double posting on the ATAR Notes forum in the future

[Stormbreaker-X]

Weak cohorts doesn't necessarily make it harder to do well or pull anyone down. If the cohort is weak it is much easier to get a high ranking in sacs which is very important.

Also please refrain from double posting on the ATAR Notes forum in the future

Thank you for your reply and I will try not to double post in future forums
My cohort is weak, but I heard that means sacs will get scaled down and thus pulling down study scores. However since its weak, it will be easier to do well in and that also creates a purpose. My school does bad in all subjects, we never do well for some reason. I don't know if it's the cohorts or the teachers.

[Stormbreaker-X]

Hello, I have made up my mind. IS 3 MATH WITH CHEM, ENGLISH AND A UNIT 3 AND 4 ALL IN YEAR 11 A GOOD IDEA???

[ashmi]

Hello, I have made up my mind. IS 3 MATH WITH CHEM, ENGLISH AND A UNIT 3 AND 4 ALL IN YEAR 11 A GOOD IDEA???

I personally think anything is a good idea, so long as you are happy with your subjects! . I think its a great combo as it covers the prerequisites for many courses. The real question is, are you happy with your subject choices? (By the way what 3/4 are you doing?). The workload should be manageable and with the 3 maths, it sort of feels like you are studying 2/2.5 instead of 3 because some of them overlap really nicely. (Just remember that only the two highest maths will contribute to your primary 4, the last one will be a 10% subject)

[Stormbreaker-X]

I personally think anything is a good idea, so long as you are happy with your subjects! . I think its a great combo as it covers the prerequisites for many courses. The real question is, are you happy with your subject choices? (By the way what 3/4 are you doing?). The workload should be manageable and with the 3 maths, it sort of feels like you are studying 2/2.5 instead of 3 because some of them overlap really nicely. (Just remember that only the two highest maths will contribute to your primary 4, the last one will be a 10% subject)

I was planning on an 'easy' unit 3 and 4 subject. Maybe Business management or something, I am very happy with my subjects. Except at the same time I am afraid of it.