need your help!

[hard]

again i'm stuck in a difficult situation. So i have not long to decide what course i should do. I'm really interested in the Bachelor of Environments (majoring in architecture or law) and Bachelor of Commerce (accounting or architecture or law) at UoM. However i'm still unsure as to what is required of me to get into those degrees once the enviro or com degrees are done. Like what is the % of people getting in to masters or honours after completetion of new gen degree at melbourne?
Melbourne uni is 30 mins away from me using public transport and like 10-15 by car.

Is this a better route to take then:

Going to Monash studying architecture which guarantees entry into masters, commerce at monash or accounting at monash?

Monash however (caulfield) is like 40 minutes away by public transport and 30 mins away by car.

Another option is RMIT where i could do possibly accounting. However i'm not really keen on RMIT.

One last option is La Trobe where i could possibly do accounting/law. It is 15 mins away by car.

I am interested in any of these fields Architecture, Law, Accounting and Commerce.

[minilunchbox]

According to UoM open day, around 300-400 apply for Honours (for Psychology so it'll be slightly different for other courses) and only ~100 people are accepted. It depends how many spots there are, but generally there is a lot of competition.

[ninwa]

I still think Monash is a better option if you get the ENTER for it.

• There is not much difference in terms of quality/prestige between UoM and Monash.
• You will be guaranteed entry into the course you want.
• Nobody really knows how difficult it will be to do the masters for New Gen because (AFAIK) nobody doing New Gen degrees have progressed that far yet.
• I would be reluctant to take such risks with my degree, unless you'd be happy with just a Bachelor of Environments/Commerce on its own, in which case by all means go UoM.
• 40 mins public transport isn't as bad as it sounds. On average that's how long it takes for me to get to uni. It's a good time to study/cram, sleep, or even just take time out.

[hard]

I still think Monash is a better option if you get the ENTER for it.

• There is not much difference in terms of quality/prestige between UoM and Monash.
• You will be guaranteed entry into the course you want.
• Nobody really knows how difficult it will be to do the masters for New Gen because (AFAIK) nobody doing New Gen degrees have progressed that far yet.
• I would be reluctant to take such risks with my degree, unless you'd be happy with just a Bachelor of Environments/Commerce on its own, in which case by all means go UoM.
• 40 mins public transport isn't as bad as it sounds. On average that's how long it takes for me to get to uni. It's a good time to study/cram, sleep, or even just take time out.

so 40 minutes every day isn't bad?? every day.. it seems excessive?

also my parents have the whole thing were they only want me going uni of melb just so they can brag to their cousins and stuff. soo passe but still it does come into play. If i say monash they'll think it's another TAFE..

[IntoTheNewWorld]

so 40 minutes every day isn't bad?? every day.. it seems excessive?

It isn't that bad, I did it every day from year 9 - 12. You get used to it

[ninwa]

so 40 minutes every day isn't bad?? every day.. it seems excessive?

also my parents have the whole thing were they only want me going uni of melb just so they can brag to their cousins and stuff. soo passe but still it does come into play. If i say monash they'll think it's another TAFE..

Most of the time it barely feels like 40 minutes. It's a good excuse to unwind after a long day, if nothing else!

Lol at your parents thinking Monash is a TAFE. As if you'd let their opinions determine your future -_-

[excal]

I still think Monash is a better option if you get the ENTER for it.

• There is not much difference in terms of quality/prestige between UoM and Monash.
• You will be guaranteed entry into the course you want.
• Nobody really knows how difficult it will be to do the masters for New Gen because (AFAIK) nobody doing New Gen degrees have progressed that far yet.
• I would be reluctant to take such risks with my degree, unless you'd be happy with just a Bachelor of Environments/Commerce on its own, in which case by all means go UoM.
• 40 mins public transport isn't as bad as it sounds. On average that's how long it takes for me to get to uni. It's a good time to study/cram, sleep, or even just take time out.

so 40 minutes every day isn't bad?? every day.. it seems excessive?

also my parents have the whole thing were they only want me going uni of melb just so they can brag to their cousins and stuff. soo passe but still it does come into play. If i say monash they'll think it's another TAFE..

The worst mistake you can make is going to a particular uni or doing a certain course for your parents as opposed to yourself.

It is said that the two courses with the highest drop-out rates are Law and Medicine. I'm not sure if there's any statistical backing to this, but I wouldn't be surprised at all.

[Nelle]

My brother is completing a Melbourne Uni degree and is loving it.
What he likes about the Melbourne degrees is it now gives you more opportunities to try new things and is more flexible.
He started off at the Bachelor of Science (planning to major in chemical engineering) and was completing Breadth in Economics. However, he discovered he loved Economics and swung across into commerce. Now he is planning to either complete Masters in Engineering, honours in Economics or honours in finance.
The thing is if you are unsure what degree you want to do: Architecture, commerce, accounting perhaps Melbourne uni model would really suit you because you could not only experience commerce but complete breadth in environments or vise-versa. And if you discover which one you like better you can always transfer.  

I believe it varies on what percentage they take in for honours and masters and getting in depends on your results:
I believe for finance honours they only take 30 people and it is really competitive. Therefore, you need to get results in the high 80s in third year for Finance (I think!) However, if you get into this, you are well on your way for an awesome career. These people start on wages of about $100000 and it just keeps going up, however they work like 80 hours a week.
Honours in Economics you need over 70%.
Masters in Engineering ( I know its not relevant to you but it may be a good indicator) 65%

I suppose the one down side would be that law is post graduate, if you get a result in the high 90s and can get into Commerce/law at Monash you'll have to really make sure law is for you because it would probably make your life alot easier at uni being in law straight away, rather than having to work your arse off to make sure you get into the post-graduate law at Melbourne uni. When I went to the open day at Melbourne Uni, Melbourne Law sounded extremely competitive and very expensive!! (only about 50% of people get hecs for law)
 
Hope this helps and good luck with your choice

[Collin Li]

My brother is completing a Melbourne Uni degree and is loving it.
What he likes about the Melbourne degrees is it now gives you more opportunities to try new things and is more flexible.
He started off at the Bachelor of Science (planning to major in chemical engineering) and was completing Breadth in Economics. However, he discovered he loved Economics and swung across into commerce. Now he is planning to either complete Masters in Engineering, honours in Economics or honours in finance.
The thing is if you are unsure what degree you want to do: Architecture, commerce, accounting perhaps Melbourne uni model would really suit you because you could not only experience commerce but complete breadth in environments or vise-versa. And if you discover which one you like better you can always transfer. 

I believe it varies on what percentage they take in for honours and masters and getting in depends on your results:
I believe for finance honours they only take 30 people and it is really competitive. Therefore, you need to get results in the high 80s in third year for Finance (I think!) However, if you get into this, you are well on your way for an awesome career. These people start on wages of about $100000 and it just keeps going up, however they work like 80 hours a week.
Honours in Economics you need over 70%.
Masters in Engineering ( I know its not relevant to you but it may be a good indicator) 60%

I suppose the one down side would be that law is post graduate, if you get a result in the high 90s and can get into Commerce/law at Monash you'll have to really make sure law is for you because it would probably make your life alot easier at uni being in law straight away, rather than having to work your arse off to make sure you get into the post-graduate law at Melbourne uni. When I went to the open day at Melbourne Uni, Melbourne Law sounded extremely competitive and very expensive!! (only about 50% of people get hecs for law)
 
Hope this helps and good luck with your choice

Hahaha that sounds a lot like me! Chemical Engineering --> Economics! I get to do both though because I got in before the Melbourne Model.

[Nelle]

My brother is completing a Melbourne Uni degree and is loving it.
What he likes about the Melbourne degrees is it now gives you more opportunities to try new things and is more flexible.
He started off at the Bachelor of Science (planning to major in chemical engineering) and was completing Breadth in Economics. However, he discovered he loved Economics and swung across into commerce. Now he is planning to either complete Masters in Engineering, honours in Economics or honours in finance.
The thing is if you are unsure what degree you want to do: Architecture, commerce, accounting perhaps Melbourne uni model would really suit you because you could not only experience commerce but complete breadth in environments or vise-versa. And if you discover which one you like better you can always transfer. 

I believe it varies on what percentage they take in for honours and masters and getting in depends on your results:
I believe for finance honours they only take 30 people and it is really competitive. Therefore, you need to get results in the high 80s in third year for Finance (I think!) However, if you get into this, you are well on your way for an awesome career. These people start on wages of about $100000 and it just keeps going up, however they work like 80 hours a week.
Honours in Economics you need over 70%.
Masters in Engineering ( I know its not relevant to you but it may be a good indicator) 60%

I suppose the one down side would be that law is post graduate, if you get a result in the high 90s and can get into Commerce/law at Monash you'll have to really make sure law is for you because it would probably make your life alot easier at uni being in law straight away, rather than having to work your arse off to make sure you get into the post-graduate law at Melbourne uni. When I went to the open day at Melbourne Uni, Melbourne Law sounded extremely competitive and very expensive!! (only about 50% of people get hecs for law)
 
Hope this helps and good luck with your choice

Hahaha that sounds a lot like me! Chemical Engineering --> Economics! I get to do both though because I got in before the Melbourne Model.

Which one do you like better? And are you planning to do masters or honours in anything?

My brother is still undecided which one he likes better. He loves chemical engineering but at the same time he loves finance and economics.

He certainly wants the one that pays the best though. My cousins (they're succesful accountants) have said that whilst he is doing the chemical engineering and helping run the plants, that the profits will mainly be going into the businessmen's pockets. 

[Collin Li]

I like economics more!

Yeah, surprisingly -- managerial duties extract very high wages! Do you think it's because they add more value to society?

It's hard to think of managers as "adding any value" at all, since the engineers are doing the "real" work. But I think they're practitioners of coordination, collaboration and also investors in human resources (very information-intensive task which is very valuable).

[ninwa]

The thing is if you are unsure what degree you want to do: Architecture, commerce, accounting perhaps Melbourne uni model would really suit you

That's a really good point. If you're really unsure of what you want (and it sounds like you are ) then the flexibility of UoM would probably suit you better.

I suppose the one down side would be that law is post graduate, if you get a result in the high 90s and can get into Commerce/law at Monash you'll have to really make sure law is for you because it would probably make your life alot easier at uni being in law straight away, rather than having to work your arse off to make sure you get into the post-graduate law at Melbourne uni. When I went to the open day at Melbourne Uni, Melbourne Law sounded extremely competitive and very expensive!! (only about 50% of people get hecs for law)

Yeah, if you're pretty sure it's law you want to do - I'd really recommend the LLB rather than JD. I've had a look at the JD course - they squeeze things into a shorter period of time
So (I'm pretty sure, anyway) you get less electives (less room to do fun stuff like intellectual property, human rights, international law, clinical practice). Also, it looks like they go through the courses at a faster rate. Which sounds damn stressful (LLB is fast enough as it is >_<)

The worst mistake you can make is going to a particular uni or doing a certain course for your parents as opposed to yourself.

It is said that the two courses with the highest drop-out rates are Law and Medicine. I'm not sure if there's any statistical backing to this, but I wouldn't be surprised at all.

Wise words.
I don't know about "highest", but I do know that by the time I get to 4th year, statistically half of the people I started law with will have dropped out by then.

[QuantumJG]

I am interested in any of these fields Architecture, Law, Accounting and Commerce.

For architecture an environments degree or commerce degree at Melbourne would be great. The architecture building is great (I've had a few lectures there). I take the time to go into the display room and look at the pieces.

With law, if you get the ENTER needed for Monash, go to Monash since the JD is not for the faint hearted. A law degree at monash is one of the most prestigious degrees someone can get.

For commerce Monash or melbourne uni are good. I have a friend doing his first year of a finance/accounting degree at caulfield and he is already doing work experience at a firm.

At the end of the day you have to decide what you enjoy, from your marks it's visible that you really enjoy legal studies.

[hard]

I am interested in any of these fields Architecture, Law, Accounting and Commerce.

For architecture an environments degree or commerce degree at Melbourne would be great. The architecture building is great (I've had a few lectures there). I take the time to go into the display room and look at the pieces.

With law, if you get the ENTER needed for Monash, go to Monash since the JD is not for the faint hearted. A law degree at monash is one of the most prestigious degrees someone can get.

For commerce Monash or melbourne uni are good. I have a friend doing his first year of a finance/accounting degree at caulfield and he is already doing work experience at a firm.

At the end of the day you have to decide what you enjoy, from your marks it's visible that you really enjoy legal studies.

cheers man

[Fyrefly]

Dude... it takes me 1~1.5h by car to get to uni... longer by public transport.

40min really isn't that bad... I wouldn't let this interfere with your decision.
You should be thinking about what would be best for you in terms of your long-term future... not whether you'll have to get up 20mins earlier each morning if you choose Monash over La Trobe.