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« Reply #1305 on: September 30, 2012, 11:01:02 pm »
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Thanks Ennjy! Although my query is a bit different from that haha but dw all good I asked Ahmad and sorted it out :)
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« Reply #1306 on: September 30, 2012, 11:05:56 pm »
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Thanks Ennjy! Although my query is a bit different from that haha but dw all good I asked Ahmad and sorted it out :)

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Re: TT's Maths Thread
« Reply #1307 on: October 03, 2012, 03:32:30 pm »
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If we let be independent and identically distributed observations from a population with mean and variance then the weak law of large number states that and I can prove this part, however does ? Where the sample variance? If so, how to prove it?

Is the population a continuous distribution, or a large set of discrete points?
It can be any, discrete or continuous, however I am interested in the asymptotic properties

Okay. I will just look at the continuous case, because that's easy. By definition:



Now, we have the sample . By definition:

and

As , , . We can approximate by binning and summing over histograms. As , the frequencies will tend towards some discretised form of ; also as we decrease the bin width, the approximation improves. Thus in the limit,

Thus as .

I wouldn't say this is a truly rigorous proof a pure mathematician would embrace, but hey, it gets there.
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« Reply #1308 on: October 03, 2012, 03:47:35 pm »
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Nice! Thanks Mao :)

Actually the other day I did something very similar to what you just did, but just a tiny bit more rigorous towards the end of the proof:



and

By LLN:

And obviously

Now since is continuous, then

Thus since

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« Reply #1309 on: October 03, 2012, 05:44:58 pm »
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Nice! Thanks Mao :)

Actually the other day I did something very similar to what you just did, but just a tiny bit more rigorous towards the end of the proof:



and

By LLN:

And obviously

Now since is continuous, then

Thus since

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« Reply #1310 on: December 03, 2012, 10:26:52 pm »
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Ok here's a funny ODE to solve:



clearly a straight forward power series substitution won't work here since we have a regular singularity at x = 0

so try the frobenius method by expanding around x = 0.

Assume is a solution where is some constant.

So we have and

Put this back in:



after some algebra and stuff:



clearly lowest term is with it's coefficient as hence

Now , so

Now we find the coefficients of the term where s is some constant, this gives:



rearranging gives:

for s = 1, 2, etc

Thus we found a recurrence relationship with and as arbitrary initial values.

A bit of playing around quickly shows that:







Thus we have one of the solutions to be

However because a_0 and a_1 are arbitrary, let us pick.... , now magically we have:



So is one of the basis for the general solution of this ode.

I was wondering, since and are arbitrary, then would ANY () and work? Say and which then implies that there is an "infinite" number of different basis for the general solution of this ode? pretty cool ~
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« Reply #1311 on: December 03, 2012, 11:12:07 pm »
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which then implies that there is an "infinite" number of different basis for the general solution of this ode? pretty cool ~

Pardon my ignorance, but every (non-zero) vector space has an infinite number of different bases, so this shouldn't be so surprising :P Secondly doesn't your computation show that the solution space is (at most?) 2-dimensional ?

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« Reply #1312 on: December 03, 2012, 11:15:13 pm »
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well it's just cool because by plugging in some random values for the initial values of the recurrence relationship you can condense the entire infinite sum down into a function, i wouldn't have thought of that if it wasn't for a hint in my book, in general, how do i know what values to put in for the initial values? intuitive guessing (and hoping it is some expansion of a function) or just plug any random values in?
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« Reply #1313 on: December 04, 2012, 03:55:06 pm »
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I'm wondering, is the solution space a 1-dimensional or 2-dimensional vector space? You found as a solution but is there some solution that isn't a scalar multiple of it? e.g
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« Reply #1314 on: December 04, 2012, 04:37:45 pm »
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there is another solution, i just didnt bother finding it, it's quite easy to find by reduction of order
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« Reply #1315 on: December 06, 2012, 05:43:34 pm »
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Now in the example of transforming for x>0 and k>0, they assumed it was an even function, however f(x) is not even, how then can you apply the fourier integral for even functions on it?

Is it because we are kinda doing a "half-range expansion", ie, f(x) can be manipulated into an even function (by simply just reflecting it in the y axis), so this then allows us to apply the fourier integral for even functions but then it is only valid over the domain of x>0 and k>0?
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« Reply #1316 on: December 06, 2012, 06:42:47 pm »
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TT, Kreyszig discusses the half-range expansion issue in the Fourier series section. (section 11.3) Both an odd-periodic and even-periodic extension is possible.
The argument carries over to Fourier Intregrals (with period -> infinity)
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« Reply #1317 on: December 06, 2012, 06:43:32 pm »
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TT, Kreyszig discusses the issue in the Fourier series section. (section 11.3) Both an odd-periodic and even-periodic extension is possible.
The argument carries over to Fourier Intregrals (with period -> infinity)
sweet! wanted to confirm that, cheers man
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« Reply #1318 on: December 07, 2012, 08:58:51 am »
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TT, Kreyszig discusses the half-range expansion issue in the Fourier series section. (section 11.3) Both an odd-periodic and even-periodic extension is possible.
The argument carries over to Fourier Intregrals (with period -> infinity)
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« Reply #1319 on: December 07, 2012, 12:50:47 pm »
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EDIT. Sorry Floriank, but I belatedly realised that you specifically highlighted the word 'Kreyszig', and I have now made the German connection.
Has this guy been giving you nightmares? :)
Which makes my question below to TT even more pertinent :

PS. TT what do you think of the Kreyszig text? It seems like people either love it or hate it.

 
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