Rank 1 in cohort

[shea43]

If you're are ranked first in your cohort and you get an A for the exam and others get an A+, would you also get an A+?

[THem]

In the case you've mentioned, you'll get an A.
Your exam mark won't be changed by the performance of others, otherwise whats the point of exams?
For your sac marks - the general idea is that you'll take the highest exam mark as your sac mark. EG: If someone in your school gets like 90% for their exam, your sac mark is moderated to something around 90% but your exam mark will stay at whatever you get ( so they'll probably get a higher study score than you).

[shea43]

Yeah I thought it was like that, but my teacher said it wasn't. Thanks

[shea43]

We shall see, and most likely put a bet on it....Brennan = major sucker

[whoknows?]

In the case you've mentioned, you'll get an A.
Your exam mark won't be changed by the performance of others, otherwise whats the point of exams?
For your sac marks - the general idea is that you'll take the highest exam mark as your sac mark. EG: If someone in your school gets like 90% for their exam, your sac mark is moderated to something around 90% but your exam mark will stay at whatever you get ( so they'll probably get a higher study score than you).

so wait.. your saying that if someone gets an average of around 50% in sacs throughout the year, and then someone in their class gets a 90% in their exam, then the person with the 50% in sacs will get moderated up to around 90%?

[THem]

Read what I wrote after reading what the the 1st guy posted.
It's only for the person that is ranked 1st.

So say you get 50% for your sacs and you're ranked 10/20.
The idea is that you'll take the 10th highest exam mark(EG:40%) as your sac mark. Obviously it's not 100% accurate but this is the general idea of how I think sacs are moderated.

[Ilovemathsmeth]

A lot of people are ranked 1 but don't get the highest study score. I think it just increases your chances =S

[THem]

Sorry, maybe I've phrased it badly.
I'll try again.
Examples:
Mr X gets 100% for his sacs. We don't care about this %, just say he is ranked 1.
Mr X's class is a bunch of retards and the highest exam mark is Mr Y from his class. Mr Y gets 50%.
So I'm suggesting that Mr X's SAC ( AKA: internal) marks, get moderated down to 50% or close to it under the assumption that the cohort's sacs were piss easy. And say Mr Y was ranked 10.
And the 10th highest exam mark from that class is 2%. Then Mr Y's sac marks should change to somewhere similar to that exam mark ( 2%).
So yeah, hope that makes sense.

[kenhung123]

Sorry, maybe I've phrased it badly.
I'll try again.
Examples:
Mr X gets 100% for his sacs. We don't care about this %, just say he is ranked 1.
Mr X's class is a bunch of retards and the highest exam mark is Mr Y from his class. Mr Y gets 50%.
So I'm suggesting that Mr X's SAC ( AKA: internal) marks, get moderated down to 50% or close to it under the assumption that the cohort's sacs were piss easy. And say Mr Y was ranked 10.
And the 10th highest exam mark from that class is 2%. Then Mr Y's sac marks should change to somewhere similar to that exam mark ( 2%).
So yeah, hope that makes sense.

So its just like swapping results?
Rank 1 in sacs is ranked 2 in exam
Rank 2 in sacs is ranked 1 in exam

So ranked 1 in exam gets ranked 2's exam % for sac marks??

[THem]

Sorry, maybe I've phrased it badly.
I'll try again.
Examples:
Mr X gets 100% for his sacs. We don't care about this %, just say he is ranked 1.
Mr X's class is a bunch of retards and the highest exam mark is Mr Y from his class. Mr Y gets 50%.
So I'm suggesting that Mr X's SAC ( AKA: internal) marks, get moderated down to 50% or close to it under the assumption that the cohort's sacs were piss easy. And say Mr Y was ranked 10.
And the 10th highest exam mark from that class is 2%. Then Mr Y's sac marks should change to somewhere similar to that exam mark ( 2%).
So yeah, hope that makes sense.

So its just like swapping results?
Rank 1 in sacs is ranked 2 in exam
Rank 2 in sacs is ranked 1 in exam

So ranked 1 in exam gets ranked 2's exam % for sac marks??

Ranked 1 is expected to perform the best on the exam. It is only when they are beaten by people below them ( say rank 2 gets a higher exam score than rank 1), that these sac marks "swap".

So ranked 1 in exam gets ranked 2's exam % for their sac marks IF rank 2's performance is the highest in the cohort.
I'll make it easier. Say you get 100% for sacs and I get 95% but you get 90% for your exam and I get 95%, I'm ranked lower than you but I've beaten you on the exam. So the idea is that your sac marks will roughly be moderated down to 95% ( which is the highest exam mark) but the mark for the actual exam stays the same. So in this case, rank 2 is likely to just beat rank 1. But say the exam difference was much closer, like 2 marks, maybe they'll end up with the same study score.

I feel like i'm repeating myself over and over....   :idiot2:

[kenhung123]

That doesn't make sense. That means you can literally fail SACs i.e. get 0 and get like 80% on the exam and get a decent 30's study score

[THem]

......

Say you get 10% for your sacs and rank the lowest.
And say the lowest exam mark is 20%, then your sacs would probably go to 20%.
The actual percentage doesn't matter because the level of difficulty of the SACs in each school are different.
So If you "literally fail sacs" with some ultra low score but you get 80% on the exam, your exam graded assessment is 80%, but your sac mark would be close/equivalent to the lowest exam mark of your cohort.
The only cases where you "do bad" in your sacs and it jumps up ridiculously is when you're in a really strong cohort and everyone performs well. Thats because it's most likely the sacs at your school ( say melbourne high for instance) were probably much harder than the sacs at another school.

If you don't get it now, don't worry about it.

[ngRISING]

oh fack. im ranked like 60 for methods in the cohort. but i should have drilled more then 40 ppl. fml . should have tried.

[kenhung123]

......

Say you get 10% for your sacs and rank the lowest.
And say the lowest exam mark is 20%, then your sacs would probably go to 20%.
The actual percentage doesn't matter because the level of difficulty of the SACs in each school are different.
So If you "literally fail sacs" with some ultra low score but you get 80% on the exam, your exam graded assessment is 80%, but your sac mark would be close/equivalent to the lowest exam mark of your cohort.
The only cases where you "do bad" in your sacs and it jumps up ridiculously is when you're in a really strong cohort and everyone performs well. Thats because it's most likely the sacs at your school ( say melbourne high for instance) were probably much harder than the sacs at another school.

If you don't get it now, don't worry about it.

I get it now, so basically personal Exam mark and ranking stays the same. The SAC and exam ranking is compared. New SAC mark=SAC ranking(e.g.10) in the Exam ranking list(i.e. 10 with 80%)!

[Collin Li]

Sorry, maybe I've phrased it badly.
I'll try again.
Examples:
Mr X gets 100% for his sacs. We don't care about this %, just say he is ranked 1.
Mr X's class is a bunch of retards and the highest exam mark is Mr Y from his class. Mr Y gets 50%.
So I'm suggesting that Mr X's SAC ( AKA: internal) marks, get moderated down to 50% or close to it under the assumption that the cohort's sacs were piss easy. And say Mr Y was ranked 10.
And the 10th highest exam mark from that class is 2%. Then Mr Y's sac marks should change to somewhere similar to that exam mark ( 2%).
So yeah, hope that makes sense.

So its just like swapping results?
Rank 1 in sacs is ranked 2 in exam
Rank 2 in sacs is ranked 1 in exam

So ranked 1 in exam gets ranked 2's exam % for sac marks??

Ranked 1 is expected to perform the best on the exam. It is only when they are beaten by people below them ( say rank 2 gets a higher exam score than rank 1), that these sac marks "swap".

So ranked 1 in exam gets ranked 2's exam % for their sac marks IF rank 2's performance is the highest in the cohort.
I'll make it easier. Say you get 100% for sacs and I get 95% but you get 90% for your exam and I get 95%, I'm ranked lower than you but I've beaten you on the exam. So the idea is that your sac marks will roughly be moderated down to 95% ( which is the highest exam mark) but the mark for the actual exam stays the same. So in this case, rank 2 is likely to just beat rank 1. But say the exam difference was much closer, like 2 marks, maybe they'll end up with the same study score.

I feel like i'm repeating myself over and over....   :idiot2:

This post of mine on Merspi tries to explain this process... with a table! Maybe it'll work better

http://merspi.com/questions/247/how-do-sacs-get-scaled/249#249