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Recommended English Tutor - Their Qualities
« on: November 15, 2009, 02:51:41 pm »
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What makes a good english tutor to you?
Have you had an english tutor before? Were you satisfied?
How much do you think it helped?
Would you recommend one if you were to choose again?

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Re: Recommended English Tutor - Their Qualities
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2009, 03:11:58 pm »
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What makes a good english tutor to you?
Can point out the errors in your essay and can suggest ways to overcome it. EG: Help you identify each point you've made, where it is relevant, where it isn't, what you could've done etc. Everyone has different needs so the most important thing is if they can help you improve in your area of weakness.
Have you had an english tutor before? Were you satisfied? No. Find a tutor that is willing to read your novels ( even if they didn't study it) and by that I mean, willing to study,analyse it in great depth. My 1st english tutor wasn't even willing to read the novel ( even though they had 1-2 months to prepare) and my 2nd tutor watched the film once but it appeared he quickly flicked through it. He couldn't remember the characters name, didn't seem to know too much about the common themes and in the end, was a very shit tutor.(rant: He read one of my drafts for a text-response sac worth 50% of unit 4 and I wasn't sure about the topic (originally wanted to choose something else but he recommended to do one about filmic techniques on LBW) and told me it was good and 'well analysed'. In the end, I ended up getting a shit ass score for it and if it wasn't for me believing in "how good he is", I would of chosen the other topic ( that I was more confident with). So just because they did well in their texts/context, doesn't mean they'll do well in explaining and helping you with yours unless they're willing to put effort into it.)
 On top of this, he scored a 50, so don't always pick your tutor based on their score. I would still say that in most cases, choosing a company or teacher to tutor you for english would be the better decision. It's not like maths or sciences where it's quite easy to understand the concepts, teach it and then answer any problems the students have.

How much do you think it helped?
I can see how it could have helped if they actually cared but personally, it was useless. I think getting teachers to mark your essays is sufficient ( and a few different teachers when you get better).
Would you recommend one if you were to choose again? Only if you can find a good one that is actually dedicated and wants you to do well.
« Last Edit: November 15, 2009, 03:14:21 pm by THem »

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Re: Recommended English Tutor - Their Qualities
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2009, 03:16:25 pm »
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  Only if you can find a good one that is actually dedicated and wants you to do well.

I think this is one of the most important qualities. Make sure they don't just want your money.
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Re: Recommended English Tutor - Their Qualities
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2009, 03:18:28 pm »
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Thanks, out of concern, what is your predicted English score?

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« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2009, 03:22:53 pm »
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Thanks, out of concern, what is your predicted English score?
Tell you secretly ;)
oh did I mention that on what ended up to be our last lesson, ( I organised a 2 hour session) and he was 90 minutes late. Then after that, I was emailing him to get feedback on an essay and he ignored my emails/blocked me on msn and that was it. Worse thing is, I found him on this actual forum and his advertisement was just for show. ( basically suggesting that you shouldn't be too convinced by an advertisement and test them out ( like couple of lessons) before determining whether they'll be suitable to help you throughout the whole year.
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Re: Recommended English Tutor - Their Qualities
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2009, 03:25:03 pm »
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You should post a warning in his thread so others do not make the same mistake...
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« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2009, 03:26:45 pm »
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You should post a warning in his thread so others do not make the same mistake...

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Re: Recommended English Tutor - Their Qualities
« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2009, 07:26:36 am »
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I think some tutors who just want to make money have the perception that it's easy to fake their English capabilities (subjective subject, easy to waffle about things and to just praise their students work). What happened to THem is an ideal case.

Even though I tutor for the money (if I had an infinite amount of time I'd tutor for free really, but that's not the case...), it's because it's what I'm good at -- that's what keeps me from diverting my efforts to other money-making schemes.

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« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2009, 08:19:07 am »
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 http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,8703.0.html
 
  ^^That looked like an enticing ad, (as I mentioned before under another account) notwithstanding that, indeed, an ad doesn't tell the whole story.
  As for finding out about a potential tutor's integrity, yes you could request a free session; also maybe see if there's someone else who knows the tutor who can vouch that he/she won't take you for a ride. Or look within an agency, if indeed, you know the agency/business isn't bent; some definitely are (see the first stickied thread on this board)!

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Re: Recommended English Tutor - Their Qualities
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2009, 02:16:50 pm »
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That's a really sad story about the english tutor. I can see how you probably gave up in the end looking for a good tutor as you got *^*& over by the first two. I think the blame here resides not with people faking their credentials as Collin says, but rather that some people who get high scores i.e. 50, rest too highly on their laurels and expect that tutoring = turn up for an hour, answer people's questions and then $$$ comes.

I feel slightly annoyed at this fact because I tutor people myself. As all good tutors know, it takes a lot of work to prepare for each tutoring lesson. Even in mathematics subjects, tutoring isn't just about answering questions and explaining weird abstract concepts to students. It's about ensuring that these students achieve their best. You as their tutor, has some if not a large responsibility for their SAC scores and ultimately their ENTER score. It is this idea of responsibility which fails to hit an accord with some tutors. Some students which do tutoring with me after a term into the year have had some awful experiences with lazy tutors, tutors who say they got such and such score and don't do anything.

Moral of the lesson: if you want a good tutor, I don't neccessarily think a teacher is an imperative (I've had horrible teacher tutors as well) but I think this is the best way to do it:

During the summer break, contact 5 or 6 tutors. Organise a tutoring session with them and decide on the one thing that you will do with all of them.

*Maybe send them an essay and ask them to correct it and bring it to the session to brainstorm better ways of improving it. A good essay would be a language analysis as at this of the year I don't think you will be writing context or text responses yet.

This way you can see how good each one stacks up. If they don't do the preparation work, scrap them unless they had a legitimate reason (i.e. you sent them the essay the night before). At the same time, don't ask them to write a gazillion pages of notes because no one is superhuman. Be reasonable but have high expectations. If you know what you want out of a tutor, it helps them better shape their sessions to help you get the best out of them.

I hope you guys have every success in finding a tutor! Good luck!
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« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2009, 02:22:30 pm »
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Oh and one more thing. A good guide as to whether tutors are dedicated on this forum is to see whether they actually make any contributions to the threads on Mathematics/Chemistry/English etc. If they're willing to help out on the forums free of charge, then they're likely to be quite dedicated tutors (I hope). (Well I know this applies to Collin and Mao hahaha)

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Re: Recommended English Tutor - Their Qualities
« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2009, 02:26:01 pm »
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I think the blame here resides not with people faking their credentials as Collin says, but rather that some people who get high scores i.e. 50, rest too highly on their laurels and expect that tutoring = turn up for an hour, answer people's questions and then $$$ comes.

I didn't mean to suggest they lied about their scores, but rather that they feel like it's easy to give off the impression they are knowledgeable, since it'd probably be easy to get away with saying a few random things that seem like they fit in the context of it (fudging their tutoring, not their credentials).

Related (about choosing good tutors and figuring out which ones are good) Where and how can I select a good VCE Tutor?
« Last Edit: November 16, 2009, 02:52:28 pm by Collin Li »

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Re: Recommended English Tutor - Their Qualities
« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2009, 02:33:59 pm »
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That's a really sad story about the english tutor. I can see how you probably gave up in the end looking for a good tutor as you got *^*& over by the first two. I think the blame here resides not with people faking their credentials as Collin says, but rather that some people who get high scores i.e. 50, rest too highly on their laurels and expect that tutoring = turn up for an hour, answer people's questions and then $$$ comes.

I feel slightly annoyed at this fact because I tutor people myself. As all good tutors know, it takes a lot of work to prepare for each tutoring lesson. Even in mathematics subjects, tutoring isn't just about answering questions and explaining weird abstract concepts to students. It's about ensuring that these students achieve their best. You as their tutor, has some if not a large responsibility for their SAC scores and ultimately their ENTER score. It is this idea of responsibility which fails to hit an accord with some tutors. Some students which do tutoring with me after a term into the year have had some awful experiences with lazy tutors, tutors who say they got such and such score and don't do anything.

Moral of the lesson: if you want a good tutor, I don't neccessarily think a teacher is an imperative (I've had horrible teacher tutors as well) but I think this is the best way to do it:

During the summer break, contact 5 or 6 tutors. Organise a tutoring session with them and decide on the one thing that you will do with all of them.

*Maybe send them an essay and ask them to correct it and bring it to the session to brainstorm better ways of improving it. A good essay would be a language analysis as at this of the year I don't think you will be writing context or text responses yet.

This way you can see how good each one stacks up. If they don't do the preparation work, scrap them unless they had a legitimate reason (i.e. you sent them the essay the night before). At the same time, don't ask them to write a gazillion pages of notes because no one is superhuman. Be reasonable but have high expectations. If you know what you want out of a tutor, it helps them better shape their sessions to help you get the best out of them.

I hope you guys have every success in finding a tutor! Good luck!

I think this is unreasonable for the Mathematics subjects. A tutor cannot teach the course material in 1 hour per week. That is impossible. I ask all of my students to do the assigned work (by their teacher) and I cover their knowledge gaps when they get stuck on those questions.

The real trick, I've found, is in looking at the student's working and saying "ahah! that's where their thought process is leading them astray" and then going over the theory and saying "this is what you thought was happening, this is what's actually happening". If the student is from an under-resourced school, I bring past papers that they otherwise would not have access to.

I disagree about the responsibility thing, and think that it cheapens the students' efforts. Why should their study score be tied to their tutor? That implies that their tutor got their mark for them. I think that really undermines the students' own hard work and effort. Tutors have a responsibility to offer their utmost to their student in that 1 (or more) hour(s) per week. I do give out my mobile number/e-mail and instruct students to call/e-mail me if they have anything pressing they need ironed out before a SAC. However, it is incumbent on the student to do the work, and the tutor to guide and ensure that they're on the right path and not making errors/have knowledge gaps etc.

I'm fairly confident that two of my students (from highly under-resourced schools) will be making it into the Herald Sun high achiever's list this year. My contribution to that achievement was to guide them. Their motivation and work ethic got them that score, and I refuse to acknowledge any greater part than helping and guiding, because they earnt that score. Not me. I did not hold their hands in the exams/SACs, nor did I do the work for them. I offered advice, tips, help with problems, and extra coverage of theory not explored by the teacher, or not understood by the student. I motivated and challenged, but they did all the work. A student's mark is their responsibility, it is the tutor's responsibility to ensure that their student going for that mark is on the right path.
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Re: Recommended English Tutor - Their Qualities
« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2009, 02:44:04 pm »
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You are a very professional tutor

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« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2009, 02:57:26 pm »
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The real trick, I've found, is in looking at the student's working and saying "ahah! that's where their thought process is leading them astray" and then going over the theory and saying "this is what you thought was happening, this is what's actually happening".

 that's a good point. if i'm to become a French tutor I'll need to brush up on my knowledge of the axiomatic rules which determine correct grammar and authentic French. Which I don't usually need if i'm speaking or writing myself, I just go on what feels right which is usually correct but wouldn't help me as a tutor.
  Easily comprehensible that someone can be a good student but not a good tutor. As I said on another thread, Coblin's point about 'conceptual' as opposed to 'rote-learning' would be a big draw for me if I was choosing/recommending a tutor.
« Last Edit: November 16, 2009, 11:23:28 pm by periwinkle »