Melbourne Breadth

[sdhains]

Why can't you complete the diploma out of the BComm contact hours...?

Unless I've misread something, you can (for BComm at least.) You just have to make sure that you begin the diploma at first year. This is made clear on page 13 of the PDF.

You can keep your core and your breadth and do a diploma of languages as well if you extend your degree by one year. But from 2010, you CANNOT commence the diploma of languages until 2nd year, so you reclaim your 6 breadth subjects from 2nd to 4th year at melbourne. Additionally, you cannot commence the diploma in 2nd year unless you have successfully completed 2 units of the language you intend to study.

For example - here is what I intend to do.

1st year: commerce subject, commerce subject, commerce subject, french (x2)
2nd year: commerce subject, commerce subject, creative writing, french (x2)
3rd year: commerce subject, commerce subject, creative writing, french (x2)
4th year: commerce subject, commerce subject, creative writing, french (x2)
So by the end of the 4th year I will have done 18 commerce subjects, 8 french subjects (diploma) and 6 creative writing subjects (which if you think about it is the same amount of breadth subjects you would get usually).

I hope this helps. This information can be confirmed on the website.

[jejak]

You can keep your core and your breadth and do a diploma of languages as well if you extend your degree by one year. But from 2010, you CANNOT commence the diploma of languages until 2nd year, so you reclaim your 6 breadth subjects from 2nd to 4th year at melbourne. Additionally, you cannot commence the diploma in 2nd year unless you have successfully completed 2 units of the language you intend to study.

Do I understand correctly? You must take 2 units of your intended language as your breadth study in year 1, and then commence the diploma in year 2, which then does not eat up any breadth subjects at all (unless you arrange it so)?

If this is true, doesn't this pose a problem for Arts students? As far as I know, Arts students can't take Arts-based subjects as breadth (?), so how can they complete the 2 units at year 1 as required?

[sdhains]

You can keep your core and your breadth and do a diploma of languages as well if you extend your degree by one year. But from 2010, you CANNOT commence the diploma of languages until 2nd year, so you reclaim your 6 breadth subjects from 2nd to 4th year at melbourne. Additionally, you cannot commence the diploma in 2nd year unless you have successfully completed 2 units of the language you intend to study.

Do I understand correctly? You must take 2 units of your intended language as your breadth study in year 1, and then commence the diploma in year 2, which then does not eat up any breadth subjects at all (unless you arrange it so)?

If this is true, doesn't this pose a problem for Arts students? As far as I know, Arts students can't take Arts-based subjects as breadth (?), so how can they complete the 2 units at year 1 as required?

sorry i wasn't clear enough. Arts students take the 2 units as part of their core program. If you want your breadth to be 'eaten' by your language, you may choose have it done that way. Although I can't say for sure this option of breadth being 'eaten' is available for arts students (doesn't that defeat the purpose of breadth?).

[jejak]

sorry i wasn't clear enough. Arts students take the 2 units as part of their core program. If you want your breadth to be 'eaten' by your language, you may choose have it done that way. Although I can't say for sure this option of breadth being 'eaten' is available for arts students (doesn't that defeat the purpose of breadth?).

Yes, I agree that having the diplang "eat" your breadth, for Arts students, would defeat the purpose of it. I don't intend that for me, at least.

With the "taking the 2 units as part of your core program." Does this imply that the 2 language units can be integrated into pretty much any core program? i.e. any subject major? Also, how would this allow you to complete two majors in an Arts degree, in addition to the diplang?

Sorry if too many questions haha. Hope they are at least clear.

[sdhains]

sorry i wasn't clear enough. Arts students take the 2 units as part of their core program. If you want your breadth to be 'eaten' by your language, you may choose have it done that way. Although I can't say for sure this option of breadth being 'eaten' is available for arts students (doesn't that defeat the purpose of breadth?).

Yes, I agree that having the diplang "eat" your breadth, for Arts students, would defeat the purpose of it. I don't intend that for me, at least.

With the "taking the 2 units as part of your core program." Does this imply that the 2 language units can be integrated into pretty much any core program? i.e. any subject major? Also, how would this allow you to complete two majors in an Arts degree, in addition to the diplang?

Sorry if too many questions haha. Hope they are at least clear.

AHhhh I don't know. You might have to give melbourne university a call and ask them. The diploma of languages is very simple for everyone except arts students ..

[jejak]

Yeah I think I will have to - this is getting very complex. Thanks for answering all that tho.

[*ryan777*]

so from what ive gathered in this thread could i take 2 language subs in say 1st yr arts, transfer to bcom and start the diploma even thought id still technically be 1st yr student?

[dejan91]

so from what ive gathered in this thread could i take 2 language subs in say 1st yr arts, transfer to bcom and start the diploma even thought id still technically be 1st yr student?

Well, from what sam5 said, it seems like you could - the subs would just be credited to the diploma. Regardless, it would take 4 years.

And sam5, thanks for your course plan I'm beginning to understand how it works lol. But I'm in a bit of a more difficult situation... I want to complete the ME after the BCom... so no idea how that's gonna work :| I'm planning on doing pretty much exactly what's on page 16 of this pdf:http://www.ecom.unimelb.edu.au/downloads/Undergrad/CPG_2010.pdf

[sdhains]

despite the uom website clearly saying this:

"2010
To be eligible to apply for the Diploma in Languages, you are required to take two first-year language subjects in your first year, appropriate to your study background and language level. Students studying the Biomedicine, Commerce, Environments, Science or Music degrees will study these subjects through their breadth component. Students studying the Bachelor of Arts will study these language subjects in their core component.

After the successful completion of this first year of language study, you may apply for the Diploma in Languages and, based on your academic performance in first year, can opt for the fast-track mode. "

The man in the dip lang lecture today said you CAN start the diploma with your degree in first year. argh the UoM website is so unreliable.

[dejan91]

Yeah there are always inconsistencies with that kinda stuff... Makes you wonder who's right lol. Btw, since we're on the topic of the dip lang lecture today, it was like 95% girls. Amazing.

Anyway, dip lang is bad... I want to do a BCom with an Engineering sequence then the Masters, but all with a co-current diploma. Somehow you can't extend the diploma through to the Masters and thus leave the Bcom unaltered.

[sdhains]

Yeah there are always inconsistencies with that kinda stuff... Makes you wonder who's right lol. Btw, since we're on the topic of the dip lang lecture today, it was like 95% girls. Amazing.

Anyway, dip lang is bad... I want to do a BCom with an Engineering sequence then the Masters, but all with a co-current diploma. Somehow you can't extend the diploma through to the Masters and thus leave the Bcom unaltered.

So wait.. Let me get this straight... you cant do bcom with engineering sequence + diploma then do masters... WHY?

[QuantumJG]

Yeah there are always inconsistencies with that kinda stuff... Makes you wonder who's right lol. Btw, since we're on the topic of the dip lang lecture today, it was like 95% girls. Amazing.

Anyway, dip lang is bad... I want to do a BCom with an Engineering sequence then the Masters, but all with a co-current diploma. Somehow you can't extend the diploma through to the Masters and thus leave the Bcom unaltered.

So wait.. Let me get this straight... you cant do bcom with engineering sequence + diploma then do masters... WHY?

Probably because to be elegible for the Diploma of Languages you need to do two language subjects in first year. If you want to do engineering via commerce you need to fill these up with engineering subjects.

[dejan91]

Yeah there are always inconsistencies with that kinda stuff... Makes you wonder who's right lol. Btw, since we're on the topic of the dip lang lecture today, it was like 95% girls. Amazing.

Anyway, dip lang is bad... I want to do a BCom with an Engineering sequence then the Masters, but all with a co-current diploma. Somehow you can't extend the diploma through to the Masters and thus leave the Bcom unaltered.

So wait.. Let me get this straight... you cant do bcom with engineering sequence + diploma then do masters... WHY?

Probably because to be elegible for the Diploma of Languages you need to do two language subjects in first year. If you want to do engineering via commerce you need to fill these up with engineering subjects.

That's probably the main reason why. To be able to do the Masters, you need those specific subjects in engineering, and by doing a diploma, you take away your breadth. It's catch-22.. and it's gay. However, the subject advisor did tell me it was possible (but no one had neither asked about something like that nor tried in previous years), but it did require you to overload quite a bit and he didn't recommend it at all.