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Re: Actuarial studies
« Reply #120 on: July 20, 2011, 05:47:19 pm »
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yo, yeh i am, i wasn't planning to, since finance is a more flexible major and some areas of finance overlap with actuarial studies, but then i found out i could overload and do 2 commerce majors (the more the better     ..  lol).
anyways, actuarial studies involves managing risk, using mathematical models to predict risk, to actually get into the details is quite hard, you'd need to understand some mathematics behind it first, but a basic example would be something like: Say you go get insurance for your car, after insurance, the individual will most likely exhibit moral hazard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_hazard#In_insurance), an actuary would gather data on this individual (his credit worthiness, past data etc etc) and then run models which will come up with a probability of him causing an accident or whatever other variable you want to find. This is the basic jist. They mainly work in insurance companies such as life insurance, health insurance, superannuation funds etc they could also work in financial institutions, ie, modelling different areas of risk for certain loan portfolios etc. Accountants, eh..., well i have nothing against them but it's so boring lol, accounting is, well... just accounting, not much variation there, no mathematics (well if you dig adding/subtraction/multiplication, then by all means do accounting :P), and definitely earns less than actuaries and financial analysts in general. Finance, like i said, is much more flexible, you have the knowledge to do lots of investments (futures, options markets etc), once you build enough capital and climb the ranks of an investment bank, or major company, you will be able to do better investments, and if you're smart, you can make millions in seconds, or lose billions in seconds. So it's a risky area, but the returns are very high. My uncle is a CFO of the CCB shanghai branch, he has made so much profitable investments, earning 20-30 million RMB in a matter of seconds with good investments, however he has also lost quite a lot too, but as long as you make a net gain then it's all good :D. Note that not everyone who does finance has to go do something related to the investment area, it's very broad, there's much more areas like risk management (similar to actuarial studies), working as an analyst at banks etc. However investments is something i've decided to specialize in :)

The maths (for a.s) is mostly applied mathematics, with algebra, probability, calculus, linear algebra, some stats and so on.

i still like finance more though, covers a wider range of areas :D more employment opportunities, more arbitrage opportunities and earns much more than actuarial studies if you're smart ;P



have a read of http://ifile.it/ocbv8r/ebooksclub.org__Calculus__One_Variable___10th_Edition.l_72x2j2n5nx4tx41.pdf

it's pretty good for some basic actuarial studies mathematics
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Re: Actuarial studies
« Reply #121 on: July 20, 2011, 09:06:18 pm »
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Thanks TT :) Extremely helpful as always :)

Will post back if I need more info :)


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« Reply #122 on: July 20, 2011, 09:08:07 pm »
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(sorry for the necromancy, but this thread seems like the right place to continue discussion)

So, for those doing acturial studies this year (tram, TT?, others?), how are you coping? Just went through the whole thread, and I got the following:
- It's bloody hard
- The maths is mainly probability
- Not many people pass
- There are three parts, but not many do part III
- High demand, ~1700 only
- Handy pay at the end

I am seriously considering this for next year. I love maths (mainly the calculus/trig/algebra side), but disliked yr11 probably and have never really done any stats work. I can't use C++ or any other programming very well (other than BASIC, to an extent). (I also like $$$ ;) )

Main question is: what do actuaries do that is different from accountants and general financiers? (including, does anyone have any real-life examples of scenarios that an actuary would work in) What companies do they work for? I've heard things about working in 'risk management', but can't find much decent info on what they ACTUALLY do and WHERE they work.

Also, could someone please explain the 'exemption' of parts I and II that I read in this thread? Something about an Honours exempting these exams? Any links/clarifications/more-info/advice for these 'parts' would be very helpful and much appreciated.


(I was thinking the UoM BComm pathway btw, if that helps)

Thanks! :)


EDIT: TT, are u doing actuary now? In the thread you said u weren't, but in your sig u are...
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Re: Actuarial studies
« Reply #123 on: July 20, 2011, 09:34:23 pm »
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Just one question. My dad used to teach eco to masters students (before a career change a couple of years ago), will this help in any way with a.s.? With basic theory maybe?

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« Reply #124 on: July 20, 2011, 10:55:23 pm »
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I don't see it being a big help but does it really matter for pursuing that pathway? Incidentally, if you have any specific questions about Melbourne, my mate runs the actuarial society and I could probably give him a call

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« Reply #125 on: July 20, 2011, 11:06:21 pm »
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Just one question. My dad used to teach eco to masters students (before a career change a couple of years ago), will this help in any way with a.s.? With basic theory maybe?
Some areas of economics kinda overlaps, hardly though, basic theory (although only a tangent) would overlap b/w eco and a.s.
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« Reply #126 on: July 21, 2011, 09:24:05 am »
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I don't see it being a big help but does it really matter for pursuing that pathway?

True, it doesn't matter, but I thought it might help seeing as though I don't have any commerce background. I suppose not though.

Melb uni visits my school in a few days, I'll try and get more info then :)

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« Reply #127 on: July 21, 2011, 09:23:21 pm »
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have a read of http://ifile.it/ocbv8r/ebooksclub.org__Calculus__One_Variable___10th_Edition.l_72x2j2n5nx4tx41.pdf

it's pretty good for some basic actuarial studies mathematics

Hey, I understand a fair bit of this :)

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« Reply #128 on: July 21, 2011, 09:25:19 pm »
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have a read of http://ifile.it/ocbv8r/ebooksclub.org__Calculus__One_Variable___10th_Edition.l_72x2j2n5nx4tx41.pdf

it's pretty good for some basic actuarial studies mathematics

Hey, I understand a fair bit of this :)
Yup it's the fundamentals, after this elementary text, you should read the other book by him, called Calculus for two variables, which is a bit more advanced :) Unfortunately, i don't have that book in my ebooks library, only in hardcopy, so can't upload :[
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« Reply #129 on: July 22, 2011, 02:26:49 pm »
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have a read of http://ifile.it/ocbv8r/ebooksclub.org__Calculus__One_Variable___10th_Edition.l_72x2j2n5nx4tx41.pdf

it's pretty good for some basic actuarial studies mathematics

Hey, I get most of that :)



(shit, that's only the basic stuff)

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« Reply #130 on: July 22, 2011, 05:46:52 pm »
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However investments is something i've decided to specialize in :)

Why do you like investments?  Like the monies?

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« Reply #131 on: July 22, 2011, 11:59:33 pm »
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However investments is something i've decided to specialize in :)

Why do you like investments?  Like the monies?
yah the $$$$$$$$$$

and wdf i had a post in this thread before, where did it go?
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« Reply #132 on: July 23, 2011, 11:49:54 am »
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and wdf i had a post in this thread before, where did it go?

A couple of mine also vanished, same post-count though ???

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« Reply #133 on: July 23, 2011, 06:39:14 pm »
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two things

1) in terms of exemptions as you know there are three sets of exams. Three Quarters of the Part One exemption subjects (that is 6/8 of the CTs (core technical skills)) is covered in the three year bachelor of commerce course when you major in actuarial studies and compelte all the recommened subjects. HOWEVER only abour half of these count DIRECTELY to the exemptions subjects. The subjects that count towards your part one exams are listed on page 22 on the link below. in THESE subjects you MUST obtain an adverage of 73% for EACH pair of exemptions subjects, NOT just an overall adverage of 73% in all the exemption subjects and NOT just an adverage of 73% over the entire course. Again, i would have a good read of the link, it sets out the entire acuarial course (including honors years) quite clearly and is very informative.

http://www.economics.unimelb.edu.au/actwww/StudentsGuide2011NewGen_1.pdf

If you do the honors year you will finish off the remaining two CTs and also complete the exams necessary for part two exams (of course, you again must perform sufficiently well in the subjects)

2) in terms of being a programming noob, don't worry, i also have NO programming experience at all and have been told that the necessary skills will be taught but i will of course need to put more time to pick up the basics, but am at no major disadvantage.


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« Reply #134 on: July 23, 2011, 09:32:27 pm »
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two things

1) in terms of exemptions as you know there are three sets of exams. Three Quarters of the Part One exemption subjects (that is 6/8 of the CTs (core technical skills)) is covered in the three year bachelor of commerce course when you major in actuarial studies and compelte all the recommened subjects. HOWEVER only abour half of these count DIRECTELY to the exemptions subjects. The subjects that count towards your part one exams are listed on page 22 on the link below. in THESE subjects you MUST obtain an adverage of 73% for EACH pair of exemptions subjects, NOT just an overall adverage of 73% in all the exemption subjects and NOT just an adverage of 73% over the entire course. Again, i would have a good read of the link, it sets out the entire acuarial course (including honors years) quite clearly and is very informative.

http://www.economics.unimelb.edu.au/actwww/StudentsGuide2011NewGen_1.pdf

If you do the honors year you will finish off the remaining two CTs and also complete the exams necessary for part two exams (of course, you again must perform sufficiently well in the subjects)

2) in terms of being a programming noob, don't worry, i also have NO programming experience at all and have been told that the necessary skills will be taught but i will of course need to put more time to pick up the basics, but am at no major disadvantage.


Cheers for the link!

In terms of 2), when you eventually get a job is it mostly just using computer programs, or do you actually apply what you've learnt as opposed to plugging in figures :P

Also, I can't remember whether I heard this right, but can you get a job after your honours year while concurrently studying for Part 3, and if so, what are the advantages in doing Part 3 -- apart from being fully qualified of course :P
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