UOM or Monash?

[darkphoenix]

I'm thinking about doing engineering next year, but was wondering what are the pros and cons of each?

I've heard monash is better, but can anyone offer their personal opinions?

Also how hard is it? Like all the subjects you study and everything

Thanks

[crappy]

Monash

heavy workload and a lot of contact hours

Monash eng also has work experience which is around 12 weeks long, UoM doesn't.

also, UoM engineering is part of the melbourne model now, there isn't a undergraduate degree anymore.

[Gloamglozer]

Arguably, the Faculty of Engineering at Monash is by the far best in Victoria.  And this is coming from a UoM student so no bias here.  However, I heard RMIT is extremely good for practical experience, which I believe is essential for engineers, correct?

At UoM, I hear that there is too much theory and not enough practical experience offered to its students.  I know of a former UoM chemical engineering student who couldn't find a job upon graduating so now he's at RMIT.

[darkphoenix]

Hm yeah good point. So now for the new melbourne model, you need to do 3yrs bachelor of science then masters of engineering?

Hm yeah heard RMIT is good for engineering too, but you have to move to bundoora or something in third year?

[Gloamglozer]

Hm yeah good point. So now for the new melbourne model, you need to do 3yrs bachelor of science then masters of engineering?

Hm yeah heard RMIT is good for engineering too, but you have to move to bundoora or something in third year?

Well you can do the Master of Engineering through many pathways - science, environments, biomedicine and even commerce.  But to be eligible for it, you need to do the correct subjects and in degrees like commerce, they take up your breadth component so you have to keep that in mind.

Also, I've heard that his pathway takes longer than just a standard bachelor degree at Monash and if you went to Monash and ended up doing Engineering, you would finish faster and gain work experience sooner than your UoM counterparts.

I'm not too sure about RMIT though but I know for aerospace engineering, the degree is divided up between the Bundoora and city campuses.

[mk.billabong]

Monash for sure 

You can also do a double degree in engineering with either science/commerce/arts/law/biomed etc

[darkphoenix]

Hm yeah good point. So now for the new melbourne model, you need to do 3yrs bachelor of science then masters of engineering?

Hm yeah heard RMIT is good for engineering too, but you have to move to bundoora or something in third year?

Well you can do the Master of Engineering through many pathways - science, environments, biomedicine and even commerce.  But to be eligible for it, you need to do the correct subjects and in degrees like commerce, they take up your breadth component so you have to keep that in mind.

Also, I've heard that his pathway takes longer than just a standard bachelor degree at Monash and if you went to Monash and ended up doing Engineering, you would finish faster and gain work experience sooner than your UoM counterparts.

I'm not too sure about RMIT though but I know for aerospace engineering, the degree is divided up between the Bundoora and city campuses.

Yeah good point, hows bachelor of science? Interesting?

Yeah double degrees are good, just not sure which to do. :S

[Gloamglozer]

Hm yeah good point. So now for the new melbourne model, you need to do 3yrs bachelor of science then masters of engineering?

Hm yeah heard RMIT is good for engineering too, but you have to move to bundoora or something in third year?

Well you can do the Master of Engineering through many pathways - science, environments, biomedicine and even commerce.  But to be eligible for it, you need to do the correct subjects and in degrees like commerce, they take up your breadth component so you have to keep that in mind.

Also, I've heard that his pathway takes longer than just a standard bachelor degree at Monash and if you went to Monash and ended up doing Engineering, you would finish faster and gain work experience sooner than your UoM counterparts.

I'm not too sure about RMIT though but I know for aerospace engineering, the degree is divided up between the Bundoora and city campuses.

Yeah good point, hows bachelor of science? Interesting?

Yeah double degrees are good, just not sure which to do. :S

Science is alright.  Depending on what subjects you do, most of them are just building up the knowledge you have from year 12.  they just expand and continue on from year 12.  Nothing spectacular at the moment.

[jimmy999]

Also one thing to note about the Melbourne Model, if you do engineering through the bachelor degree and then the masters of engineering, it's a risk as there's no clue as to how possible it will be to get a job. This is mainly because no one has yet to gone through this pathway therefore you can't be sure that you will be able to get a job easily after you graduate. Also to get into the Masters which is the only way to graduate with engineering, you need to maintain a certain average over the next 3 years so you won't find out if you get into the Masters (CSP place) until after you finish the bachelor degree. Meanwhile going elsewhere, once you're in the engineering degree, you're in that degree and just have to worry about passing to maintain your CSP place.

Plus double degrees are good if you like other stuff. I think at Monash this year there are more people doing a double degree in Engineering then there are in the single degree

[darkphoenix]

@Gloamglozer, Hm just an extension then.

@jimmy999, yeah that was what i was worrying about, cause its a general sort of course.

Has anyone done/doing Bachelor of Engineering / Bachelor of Design (Industrial Design)? Or Bachelor of Commerce / Bachelor of Engineering?

[darkphoenix]

Yeah it seems pretty interesting

[Kopite]

Also one thing to note about the Melbourne Model, if you do engineering through the bachelor degree and then the masters of engineering, it's a risk as there's no clue as to how possible it will be to get a job. This is mainly because no one has yet to gone through this pathway therefore you can't be sure that you will be able to get a job easily after you graduate. Also to get into the Masters which is the only way to graduate with engineering, you need to maintain a certain average over the next 3 years so you won't find out if you get into the Masters (CSP place) until after you finish the bachelor degree. Meanwhile going elsewhere, once you're in the engineering degree, you're in that degree and just have to worry about passing to maintain your CSP place.

Plus double degrees are good if you like other stuff. I think at Monash this year there are more people doing a double degree in Engineering then there are in the single degree

lol, job prospects will be exactly the same as previous uom double degree graduates.  you are doing the same subjects as they would have. it has just been rebranded into a masters course.

only the last 2 years of your bachelors are taken into account, not 3.

dunno if you'll make it, but everyone who reaches the 65% average inclusive of 2014 will be guaranteed a csp place in the masters. this is a pretty good move on uom's behalf, generating interest in the m.eng during the intial implementation of the melbourne model

[redmosez]

I'd say go for Monash.

I study Eng at Melbourne Uni and am aiming to major in Civil. If i was majoring in almostt anything else I'd have chosen Monash (esp for electrical/mechanical).

But for Civil there's not much difference between Melb/Monash/RMIT.

As for the course being too theoritical, I don't really see that as a bad thing.

I'm currently working for a medium-sized construction company under a civil engineer so I get lots of exposure to the practical side there. I find the heavy theory at UoM and the practical exposure from work compliment each other pretty well. If you're able to get work exp early on then Melb Uni might provide an advantage.

If I didn't have a choice to do undergrad B.Eng though I would not have even considered Melb. Good thing is I only have to do 3-4 breadth subjects in B.Eng so I still get lots of eng electives.

If you're considering Eng/Comm though there really isnt much difference between a double degree at Monash or a B.Comm+M.Eng at Melb

[xSkittles]

i like monash better..i believe the uni has a etter name and offer good education