Law Places

[Russ]

1) WOW i did not think it was that little..........>.< dammit, so basicly i'm going to be competing for one of 40 places......crap

Lol ditto. :O
So basically a CSP means you have the equivalent of a scholarship and you don't have to pay the normal $90k? And is the JD more advanced and accelerated than the LLB?

A CSP is not equivalent to a scholarship; a CSP means that the government subsidizes your course and you can defer payment until you make over a certain amount. So you'll still have to contribute to the cost of your course, whilst a scholarship student has the fees waived by the uni (and may even get an allowance)

[AzureBlue]

A CSP is not equivalent to a scholarship; a CSP means that the government subsidizes your course and you can defer payment until you make over a certain amount. So you'll still have to contribute to the cost of your course, whilst a scholarship student has the fees waived by the uni (and may even get an allowance)

Ah ok thanks for clearing that up! So you pay the same amount for the course whether you are CSP or not? Also, are there scholarships for the Melbourne JD?

[IntoTheNewWorld]

Ah ok thanks for clearing that up! So you pay the same amount for the course whether you are CSP or not?

a full fee student pays wayy moreeeee than a CSP student. A scholarship holder pays nothing.

[AzureBlue]

a full fee student pays wayy moreeeee than a CSP student. A scholarship holder pays nothing.

So how much would the typical full fee student pay for say, a Bachelor of Commerce at Melb Uni compared with a CSP student? And what determines whether you are a full fee/CSP? (scholarship is determined by if you get a 99.9 or 99.95 ATAR or through an access scholarship).

[Russ]

Yes, probably should have made that clearer, full fee is much more expensive than the eventual cost of CSP.

You are a full fee student if you're not an Australian citizen/resident. As far as I know, there are currently no domestic full fee places for undergraduate courses (it's illegal, equity of education access etc.).

Australian citizens qualify for CSP places based on their marks.

What you pay is determined by how important the government considers the subjects. This page has the info: http://www.futurestudents.unimelb.edu.au/fees/aust/csp

So if you were doing a Bachelor of Commerce, your 6 subjects would cost you $1107 each. The cost of the breadth depends on what subject it is. So about ~8000 a year, which you can defer (pay back through taxation after you get a job) or pay up front (with a 20% discount).

International Full Fee students pay more, not sure entirely but I checked Introductory Microeconomics 1 and it was about $3300...so multiply that by 8 if you want a full fee estimate.

e, scholarship isn't solely based on a 99.9 or 99.95...you can get those and not get one, or you can get one without getting those marks

[AzureBlue]

Oh! I was expecting it to be quite a bit more expensive then 8k a year!
How do CSP and full fee places work for the Juris doctor at Melbourne then?

[Russ]

Come do health sciences, i pay half that

The JD is graduate yeah? If so then there could be full fee domestic places opening up (and knowing Melbourne Uni there will be, they've just done it for medicine).

Otherwise it's similar: you apply and the uni looks at your marks/whatever other selection criteria they use (i think there's an exam for the JD). Then they offer places (or interviews) to their top candidates, who eventually fill the course.

I just checked the website, apparently it's about $30k a year and you can get fee-help on that.

[tram]

scholarship isn't solely based on a 99.9 or 99.95...you can get those and not get one, or you can get one without getting those marks

for graduate degrees, compeltely true, however for undegrad, at least at melbourne, getting 99.90 or 99.95 gurantees you a melbourne national scolorship which is fees paid and 5 grand a year. Monash only gurantess a scolorship for those thag get 99.95 and you gets fees paid and 10 grand a year.

Of course there are a myriad of other scolorships avalible for bith unis.

Oh! I was expecting it to be quite a bit more expensive then 8k a year!
How do CSP and full fee places work for the Juris doctor at Melbourne then?

They are just given to the top 50% of applicants that make it into the course. However they have 20% of csp places reserved for people that qualify for their "access program", i.e. thay are disadvantaged in some way.



side point:

for melbourne: full fee JD- $89,100, CSP JD- don't specifically know, but i'm guessing in the region of 28/29 grand

for monash: full fee JD- $80,100, CSP JD- $26,031

Undegraduate fees vary as the subjects you choose will change the cost, but yea, it should be in the region of 8 grand a year

[Russ]

ah right, i'm out of the loop for the info on undergrad scholarships.

and yeah, access melbourne is a brilliant scheme if you qualify for it

[Eriny]

Also, it's worth noting that if you're a domestic student doing a full-fee JD, you can still defer your payments through FEE-HELP. It's basically the same system as CSP, you just end up paying more once you earn over a certain amount.

[AzureBlue]

for melbourne: full fee JD- $89,100, CSP JD- don't specifically know, but i'm guessing in the region of 28/29 grand

for monash: full fee JD- $80,100, CSP JD- $26,031

Undegraduate fees vary as the subjects you choose will change the cost, but yea, it should be in the region of 8 grand a year

Thanks for the info So basically there are ~40 CSP places for non-access applicants for JD each year, and around 50 full fee places... does anyone know how many people apply for the JD a year? Must be tough competition to get in.

[tram]

Also, it's worth noting that if you're a domestic student doing a full-fee JD, you can still defer your payments through FEE-HELP. It's basically the same system as CSP, you just end up paying more once you earn over a certain amount.

a 100 grand (or there abouts when you add in ur undegraduate degree) cloud hanging over your head......  that's it, i'm hitting the books NOW and getting me my 99.95 to get my guranteed place in law.....(i wish )

[AzureBlue]

a 100 grand (or there abouts when you add in ur undegraduate degree) cloud hanging over your head......  that's it, i'm hitting the books NOW and getting me my 99.95 to get my guranteed place in law.....(i wish )

LOL does 99.95 guarantee a CSP place in postgraduate law as well as an undergraduate scholarship?

[tram]

yea, 99.90 or 99.95 gurantees a CSP place in the melbourne jd providing you do a undegraduate degree at UoM and it give you a scolorship for your undergraduate

[Russ]

You'll need to maintain an H2A average, which isn't exactly easy, but it's a very nice guarantee to have.