INCREMENT HELP PLEASE

[happyhappyland]

what do I need to do to get the increments because its VERY confusing.

On the melb uni website it says

High    

Above 80th percentile (top 20% of all students enrolled in the subject)
   5.5
Medium    

Above 60th up to 80th percentile (next 20% of all students enrolled in
the subject)
   5.0
Low    

From Pass up to 60th percentile (of all students enrolled in the
subject)
   4.0

But thats percentile of students. Is that the same as the percentage u get? So assignments are worth 20% tuts 10% and exam 70%. So if I get say 65% total. I get the 5.0? or do i need to beat 60% of the students

[vexx]

Yeah i was confused by that as well, but since i highly doubt monash is different, i need to maintain a 60% average for a 5.0, and just pass (50%) for a 4.0, its nothing to do with student rankings..

[happyhappyland]

my friend said last year people needed to get 80% to get that 5 increment

[schmalex]

It's pretty fucking self-explanatory. If 80% of people enrolled in that subject do worse than you, you will get an increment of 5.5. If 60% of people do worse than you, you will get an increment of 5.0. If fewer than that do worse than you, your increment is 4.0, regardless of your actual mark. Did you actually read it?

[m@tty]

Yes, it says that. But at Monash I have been told it was based on your actual mark rather than the ranking as it said in the information.

[vexx]

Yes, it says that. But at Monash I have been told it was based on your actual mark rather than the ranking as it said in the information.

yeah that's how it is done at monash, and what i heard at melbourne was different... not sure how they can do that >.>

[happyhappyland]

It's pretty fucking self-explanatory. If 80% of people enrolled in that subject do worse than you, you will get an increment of 5.5. If 60% of people do worse than you, you will get an increment of 5.0. If fewer than that do worse than you, your increment is 4.0, regardless of your actual mark. Did you actually read it?

Well you obviously dont know anything about university.

My course is split into three kinds of assessments

70% Exam
20% assignments
10% tutorial work.

Say if u get 50% in exam 100% in assignment and 100% in tutorial. it means your percentage is

65%. So is that 65% equivalent to the 60percentile?

And if it isnt, then what % do i need to get that 60%th percentile.

Thats my question... its not as simple as it sounds. your contribution isnt very helpful at all

[shinny]

Well it is as simple as it sounds - percentiles are percentiles - but whether they meant percentiles is a different story. Going by percentiles is very unlike universities as far as I know. If this is the case, I don't know how Monash and UoM could have different systems. Depending on the difficulty of the exams,  those attending one of the unis would have an advantage over the other. As for what you need to get a certain percentile, no one would know. It depends on how everyone else goes on the assessments this year. If you're asking for a ballpark figure, then maybe someone would know roughly from previous experience but there's no accurate way to say really.

EDIT: And wait, so what exactly is it that you don't get? You know how to calculate your own raw overall mark, so they'd just rank that and get a percentile. You say it's not as simple as that but then you do the calculations and show us it is. I'm confused =/

[happyhappyland]

Well it is as simple as it sounds - percentiles are percentiles - but whether they meant percentiles is a different story. Going by percentiles is very unlike universities as far as I know. If this is the case, I don't know how Monash and UoM could have different systems. Depending on the difficulty of the exams,  those attending one of the unis would have an advantage over the other. As for what you need to get a certain percentile, no one would know. It depends on how everyone else goes on the assessments this year. If you're asking for a ballpark figure, then maybe someone would know roughly from previous experience but there's no accurate way to say really.

EDIT: And wait, so what exactly is it that you don't get? You know how to calculate your own raw overall mark, so they'd just rank that and get a percentile. You say it's not as simple as that but then you do the calculations and show us it is. I'm confused =/

basically people in my class is glorifying about how all they need is 60% to get the 5.0 increment. 60% means the "raw overall mark". but i dont think its that easy... so i do think its the percentile ranking

[chansthename]

I though at monash it was the overall raw mark (ie HD average for 5.5)

[Mao]

Resurrecting, I'm fairly sure there's no scaling/ranking/etc (at least not at monash). The mark you get is the 'percentile'.

The rationale behind that is the course material taught is the same as first year subjects. It'll be unfair to try to rank the best students of the state against each other. Instead, the enhancement cohort is considered as part of the larger first year cohort when doing the ranking, and it works out that your final mark is a good reflection of your percentile. So to save trouble, they assume your final mark is roughly where you rank, and don't scale/rank at all. If you get 60%, your most probably will get away with a 5.0 increment.

[rustic_metal]

It depends on the subject. At Melbourne, for example, science subjects are percentile-based, while arts subjects are raw marks.