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« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2010, 09:40:35 pm »
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What subjects do you think it helps to go to lectures for? I'm thinking more theory-based subjects (eg. biology)?
More practical subjects like maths - I reckon practice is much more beneficial than sitting into lectures, especially once you know the stuff well.

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« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2010, 09:45:18 pm »
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Well i kind of just want a bound reference to take into the exam that contains worked solutions on how to approach exam questions, incase i have a blank or something

And maybe his explanations of some concepts might reinforce my understanding

I think he's worth giving a try from what so many people have said, despite the large price tag
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Re: TSFX, NEAP, or Derrick Ha
« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2010, 09:47:22 pm »
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What subjects do you think it helps to go to lectures for? I'm thinking more theory-based subjects (eg. biology)?
More practical subjects like maths - I reckon practice is much more beneficial than sitting into lectures, especially once you know the stuff well.

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Yea exactly, subjects like Chem..Bio really, thats it!

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« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2010, 09:48:54 pm »
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100% What I believe.
Yea exactly, subjects like Chem..Bio really, thats it!
Okay, maybe English for some people aswell.
English won't really apply to me because I'm doing English Language next year (and the year after) anyway and no companies offer lectures for that. Furthermore, how are they going to conduct an english lecture if the students are studying different texts? Is Chemistry really theory based? Can't be as much as biology is...

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« Reply #19 on: July 26, 2010, 09:50:40 pm »
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How would a lecture help with rote learning subjects? You just stare at a book and memorise slabs of information...
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« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2010, 09:53:53 pm »
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How would a lecture help with rote learning subjects? You just stare at a book and memorise slabs of information...
I can't really say for certain, because I've never been to a proper lecture offered by these companies before but I guess they might help you better understand the material, and repetition is good for rote learning. TSFX has pretty good biology notes (I normally just buy the notes and don't go to the lecutres). Apparently "staring at a book" is an ineffective method of learning lol Learn actively!

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« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2010, 09:57:20 pm »
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I find it's hard to learn and be able to understand a hard maths question on your own, and having someone who is there to show you step by step, and how/why to do it. even with worked solutions, it's very hard to be able to grasp the idea, and very often you don't understand what they did in their working
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Re: TSFX, NEAP, or Derrick Ha
« Reply #22 on: July 26, 2010, 11:23:19 pm »
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Because Maths, is only learnt through the hard yards, practice practice practice.
You can never expect to go in, and come out a grade better?

Correct me if Im wrong.


I actually disagree, maths is NOT learnt only through practice. Yes, some is required. But on the whole I think that profound understanding is the best way to improve, once you have a grasp of the basics(Which, incidentally, don't require question-spamming either...). Not only to secure marks, but also just to have knowledge of what you are doing, why you are doing it, when to apply it, what its limitations are and a host of other essential information, that is only chanced upon when question-spamming.

I do agree, though, that doing some questions in repetition does help to familiarise yourself with the question-types that appear. This is good when doing the textbook exercises where you know that they are all going to be of the same basic type. But I challenge you, when doing the exam, is it actually beneficial to be so overly familiar with the question types that you have seen that, instead of reading each question like you have never read anything similar to avoid missing information or misinterpreting the question, you have the preconception that they are of the same type you have read in your earlier studies?

No. This is very bad.

But, haha, I have gone a bit over the top. It does help, but, in addition to my earlier comments, it leaves big holes in your understanding.

And after you have a deep understanding I don't think you have the need nor the desire to do many many questions.


Going to lectures provides a different perspective on the maths. This helps to broaden your understanding. Also it can help to clarify some of the basics. I'm talking dirt-level basics; the fundamental stuff. I know personally I find that it is in these areas that I am most likely to be unsure. (At least it was true for Methods last year). Going to lectures goes over basically the whole course(TSFX is better for this), so it can show you clearly and without fail, as the lecturer covers all the relevant material, what you need to work on.

So apart from these things there is little else on offer from a lecture.

With Derrick Ha's lecture, though, he challenges you to take it into your own hands. The lecture is a starting point and the rest is up to you.

While TSFX said "remember this!" and when a student questioned the mathematical rationale behind it, the lecturer said, "never mind; you probably won't understand it anyway." This kind of attitude disgusts me. While some people may choose to merely memorise 'what to do', it is not TSFX's prerogative to deny the progression of a students understanding.

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Re: TSFX, NEAP, or Derrick Ha
« Reply #23 on: July 26, 2010, 11:40:52 pm »
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+1 :)

I know what you mean for the preconception people have towards questions in exams. Instead they may be tricked and find answers which are not required. In other cases, students may have shown extra/additional workings, which might cost them to lose dear marks.

While TSFX said "remember this!" and when a student questioned the mathematical rationale behind it, the lecturer said, "never mind; you probably won't understand it anyway." This kind of attitude disgusts me. While some people may choose to merely memorise 'what to do', it is not TSFX's prerogative to deny the progression of a students understanding.
Most companies are like that because they don't want to confuse the students in a mass gathering and waste everyone's time answering a question out of VCE (which is, at that point of time, off topic too) just because a student has asked it.
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« Reply #24 on: July 26, 2010, 11:50:29 pm »
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You really only need lectures for abstract subjects like Lit, Humanities and LOTEs like Latin. That said, once you have done the work, for maths/sciences, I think lectures are a solid way to hone in on your skills.
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« Reply #25 on: July 27, 2010, 12:09:34 am »
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How would a lecture help with rote learning subjects? You just stare at a book and memorise slabs of information...

Rote-learning will only get you so far.

Understanding it properly and applying it to unfamiliar situations is what separates the best from the rest.
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« Reply #26 on: July 27, 2010, 07:11:25 am »
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How would a lecture help with rote learning subjects? You just stare at a book and memorise slabs of information...
Rote-learning will only get you so far.
Understanding it properly and applying it to unfamiliar situations is what separates the best from the rest.
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« Reply #27 on: July 28, 2010, 12:09:59 pm »
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While TSFX said "remember this!" and when a student questioned the mathematical rationale behind it, the lecturer said, "never mind; you probably won't understand it anyway." This kind of attitude disgusts me. While some people may choose to merely memorise 'what to do', it is not TSFX's prerogative to deny the progression of a students understanding.

dude....that's vce.....lol....the amount of time i've asked my chem teacher WHY something reacts in a certian way and he's like "it's beyond the scpoe of the 3/4/ course and i'm like *facepalm* Having said that, i can always go and ask him about it after class and he will try to explain, but he won't waste class time going over it it too much depth....

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Re: TSFX, NEAP, or Derrick Ha
« Reply #28 on: July 28, 2010, 04:57:48 pm »
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Yeah but this was well within the confines of VCE.

If you want to know it was to do with why 1-1 functions are the only type of function with an inverse function. She was like "nah, you probably won't understand even if I did explain why"...

It was more the attitude, than this actual instance(as this has very little bearing on anything), that is terrible. And yeah, I understand that they can't sacrifice the time (and confusion) of the majority for a select few students.

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« Reply #29 on: July 31, 2010, 11:15:06 pm »
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Im saying he wont live up too your expectations.

You tell me, how can someone in 6 hours, speaking to mass group of 300+
gain you a high score, over the whole 12 - 13 years of schooling ?

sounds like ur expectations are pretty high for a revision lecture. i dont think even einstein could overcome someone's 12-13 years of schooling in 6 hours....


I went to both TSFX and Derrick Ha last year for Methods. This year I'm planning to only go to Derrick Ha for Spesh.
Derrick Ha is pro and his bound book is pretty awesome.

hey m@tty and crappy. i haven't heard of this guy before so i'm a bit unsure. i'm doing methods and am tossing up between writing my own bound book and using one like his. what do you recommend? i've got six subjects this year so i'd prefer to save time and get a premade one if i can