Just curious.

[nabbiechan]

what if you decided that you want to do a degree in medicine @ Monash/UoM but you don't have the prerequisite in doing it (or probably the enter score as well)

Does anyone know of a way to do this?

[mark_alec]

You do a BSc or BBiomed and then do medicine after graduating.

[nabbiechan]

You do a BSc or BBiomed and then do medicine after graduating.

What if I don't do any science subjects, how can i get in to that course then?

[GerrySly]

You do a BSc or BBiomed and then do medicine after graduating.

What if I don't do any science subjects, how can i get in to that course then?

Science at Monash

Prerequisites: Units 3 and 4–one of biology, chemistry, mathematical methods (either), physics, geography, psychology or specialist mathematics, and a study score of at least 30 in English (ESL) or 25 in any other English.

So you just need to pass Methods and score 30+ in ESL (raw) and the ENTER last year was 75.55

[Russ]

If you didn't sit the umat this year, you cant do ugrad entry next year. If you want to go the pgrad pathway, any degree is fine (but be aware that UoM has prereq subjects) for your undergraduate course.

[anti]

Do any undergraduate degree and you can still study medicine entering as a graduate at Deakin or Monash.

[happyhappyland]

You need to take the gamsat which requires you to be at the level of (but doesnt have to be completed) year 12 phsyics, year 2uni bio and chem)

[Russ]

erm, 1st year chem/bio is fine. year 12 bio would probably be sufficient even, the biology stuff was fairly logical/simple.

[98.40_for_sure]

What kind of english skills do you need for the GAMSAT? I read that theres a written component?

[happyhappyland]

What kind of english skills do you need for the GAMSAT? I read that theres a written component?

Basically, its something similiar to the context, though on the spot. It allows you to develop ideas to form an essay in 30mins (ithink). its suggested that you read deeply into literature works and like practise on famous quotes

[98.40_for_sure]

Would year 12 chemistry, 1st year uni foundation physics (so basically... year 12 physics?), and a biomed undergrad course provide sufficient knowledge to be able to do well?

[nabbiechan]

If you didn't sit the umat this year, you cant do ugrad entry next year. If you want to go the pgrad pathway, any degree is fine (but be aware that UoM has prereq subjects) for your undergraduate course.

Say, I don't want to do a pgrad pathway (which might take longer time depending on the course I will be doing) in medicine. I didn't do the UMAT but is there anyway that I can get in to an undergrade entry? It doesn't have to be next year, maybe I can spend the next year completing the necessary requirements to get in -- if that's enough time.

[Russ]

Would year 12 chemistry, 1st year uni foundation physics (so basically... year 12 physics?), and a biomed undergrad course provide sufficient knowledge to be able to do well?

You absolutely couldn't survive the GAMSAT with just year 12 chemistry, there's a lot of stuff you're not taught at school that's pretty important (organic chemistry + optical isomerism being the main two from memory). But I'd be extremely surprised if you did no chemistry in your biomed undergrad course, especially in 1st year. You should sit the GAMSAT twice btw, once in your final year and once in your penultimate year. For info on the reading/writing parts, go here, i'm not typing it up again lol

Say, I don't want to do a pgrad pathway (which might take longer time depending on the course I will be doing) in medicine. I didn't do the UMAT but is there anyway that I can get in to an undergrade entry? It doesn't have to be next year, maybe I can spend the next year completing the necessary requirements to get in -- if that's enough time.

Well, you'd need to sit the UMAT at some point in order to get in. Most likely course of events would be deferring a place in another course, taking a GAP year, spending part of it studying for the UMAT then applying at the end of 2011. That said, if you don't get a competitive ENTER, you'd need to repeat year 12 subjects as well.

e, didn't realise you weren't studying chemistry, you'll need to repeat year 12 then and take chemistry at least.

If you don't make the cut, there's nothing wrong with the pgrad pathway.

[GerrySly]

You'd have do school for another year (I don't think you can defer a place because that would mean you are enrolled in a course making you a nonschool leave? not sure about that) and complete Chemistry and get 30+. Then you'd have to sit the UMAT as well

[slothpomba]

If you didn't sit the umat this year, you cant do ugrad entry next year. If you want to go the pgrad pathway, any degree is fine (but be aware that UoM has prereq subjects) for your undergraduate course.

Say, I don't want to do a pgrad pathway (which might take longer time depending on the course I will be doing) in medicine. I didn't do the UMAT but is there anyway that I can get in to an undergrade entry? It doesn't have to be next year, maybe I can spend the next year completing the necessary requirements to get in -- if that's enough time.

I also want to take undergrad med and you can't just really waltz in and get a place. Did you just start considering med the past couple weeks? You picked a really bad time buddy.
Anyway as said above you'll need Chemistry for Monash and a competitive enter (Lowest i've heard of is 88 for a rural student, but realistically 95+ i guess would be the aim, maybe a little lower if you go for a bonded place but not much lower).

Also, you'll need to do the UMAT, it is too late now.

There are very little "backdoors" or "pathways" to get into ungrad medicine at monash. It is a highly competitive course, i think you were asking something of that nature. If you don't have the enter or the prerequisites or the umat there is no chance you will get in.

Also note UoM doesnt offer undergrad medicine... so you don't have to even worry about it or ask about it for now.

Your options at this point are:
1)
*Do year 12 again next year
  -> Do chemistry
  ->Take the umat
  ->Get an awesome enter score
  -> Apply to monash

2)
*Go to uni
 ->Do biomedicine or science somewhere
 -> Study the prerequisite subjects for the gamsat, Year 12 (OR equivalent uni physics) - 1st/2nd Year chem - 1st/2nd year Bio
 ->Study the prerequisite subjects for UoM medicine, 2nd year anatomy, physiology & biochemistry (you must take these)
 ->Once you complete your bachelor of biomedicine or science apply for postgrad medicine somewhere

3)
 *Pick another career?

Time Frame:
1) 1 Year repeating year 12 + 5 Year monash MBBS = 6 Years
2) 3 Years undergraduate Degree + 4 Years postgrad medicine = 7 years
3) ?? ?? ? ?

Sorry if i'm coming off as a little blunt but im just telling it how it is.

If you're deciding you want medicine just now, it might not be what you actually want. Lots of people who want to do medicine have wanted to do it for ages. It might just be a phase thing or a whim thing you're going on. Due to this and the suckyness of year 12 and no guarantee of getting into medicine after doing year 12 again id recommend option 2.

Option 2 you don't have to repeat year 12 again and not possibly get into medicine for a second time, also with bachelor of science you can choose 2 majors in the second year so if you decide you don't want to do medicine anymore after all its easier to change to do something that you would like to do. (You could choose engineering or IT or something within science or you could transfer to an arts degree or something i guess)

I'm also going about it the option 2 way, since i doubt ill get a high enough enter for monash mbbs... or i could always just not go uni and deal drugs im from the westside im already qualified.

I think the melbourne science degree is an excellent program but biomedicine has subjects specifically for biomedicine, like physics for biomedicine and chemistry for biomedicine, it cuts out the crap you don't need to get into graduate medicine (Like you wouldnt need much astrophysics for medicine id imagine,ect)

Its hard to get into (Biomedicine), as hard as medicine basically.Im pretty sure it has a science subject prerequisite like bio or chem. (Need an enter of 95 is for melbourne biomed)

So you'd probably need to do bachelor of science somewhere... i'm not sure if any unis offer bachelor of biomedicine to people who don't have chemistry.

I looked up a couple course for you:
Melbourne Science (At least 25 in Mathematical Methods and at least 25 in one of Biology, Chemistry or Physics.)
Melbourne biomedicine (A study score of at least 25 in:* Chemistry)
Monash Biomedicine (Prerequisites: Units 3 and 4–a study score of at least 35 in English (ESL) or 30 in any other English, a study score of at least 25 in chemistry and in one of physics, mathematical methods (either) or specialist mathematics.)
Monash Science   (Prerequisites: Units 3 and 4–one of biology, chemistry, mathematical methods (either), physics, geography, psychology or specialist mathematics, and a study score of at least 30 in English (ESL) or 25 in any other English. - Enters not too high either)
RMIT Biomedicine(Prerequisites: Units 3 and 4–English (any), chemistry and mathematics (any) or physics.)
RMIT Applied Science   (Prerequisites: Units 3 and 4–English (any) and mathematical methods (either) or specialist mathematics.)
La Trobe Science (Prerequisites: Units 3 and 4–English (any) and either mathematical methods (either) or specialist mathematics.)
Deakin Biomedicial science (Prerequisites: Units 3 and 4–a study score of at least 25 in English (ESL) or 20 in any other English, and a study score of at least 20 in one of biology, chemistry or physics.)