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Literature vs English Language.
« on: September 15, 2010, 05:57:30 pm »
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Hey guys, I've put in my subject selections for next year and I currently have English Language as my English choice.. I don't like mainstream that much, and I'm looking for a bit of variation of since I've done mainstream English for 4 years.
The point of this topic is to understand what is involved in 1/2 Literature and English Language.. I'd be assuming that the books you read in Literature differ from school-to-school?

My friends in both year 11 and year 10 say "You'll be pro" .. But I don't even know a thing about it :P

(Note: I can change from Language into Literature,  there is no clash)
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Re: Literature vs English Language.
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2010, 06:08:01 pm »
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language is for those students more science based and goes into dept about language mechanics and how it is used in speeches in stuff. (from friends that do it ),

I do lit, its writing style is different to english it focuses upon passages of the book and understanding their important amongst the novel or play as a whole. We're doing, Antony and Cleo, THe quiet American, and Salman Rushdie's East West Stories.

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Re: Literature vs English Language.
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2010, 06:32:18 pm »
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English is mainly general skills - language analysis, text response and context (which i'm sure you know)

Lit involves analysing a text, understanding the style and use of language, it's a far more in depth verson of a text response in my opinion

English Language is knowing how english is used

Big differences lie in their exams and what would cater to your best interests. The english exam is quite demanding (the 3 different essays), the literature exam is rather fair, with only 2 essays, but it can be quite difficult depending on the passages you get for what you study- personally I enjoyed doing lit a lot more last year than what i've been doing in english this year, even though I had a sadly average lit score and then english language has (to my knowledge) a short answer section and an essay.

Depending on your strengths, and whether you like the more scientific side of english, or the I guess the more bullsh*ting side (I couldn't think of a better way to phrase that) you should choose between them. I personally prefer lit, it's fun :)
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Re: Literature vs English Language.
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2010, 06:43:39 pm »
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Its crazy! I'm literally 50/50.. What should I do? I can adapt to either..

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Re: Literature vs English Language.
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2010, 06:50:03 pm »
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Same, lol... I always thought that Lit would be interesting and fun too.

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Re: Literature vs English Language.
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2010, 07:42:02 pm »
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I am going to clear up 3/4 English Language.  I'll start by saying that it is not overly scientific, however, it is very structured and therefore more suited to maths and science students.  I think of it as amateur linguistics.

Everything you study in English Language is based on the 5 subsystems of language.

-Phonology, the study of sound
-Morphology and Lexicology, the study of words and word structure
-Syntax, the study of sentence structure
-Semantics, the study of meaning
-Discourse, the overall study of language in context

This is mostly grammar based, so if you don't like grammar and metalanguage, then don't study EL.  I wouldn't say you need an immaculate understanding of English grammar to do this subject, but you still need to be good at it.  The exam generally has a grammar based question or two in it, which really could be on anything from sentence structure to phrase or clause analysis.

Anyway this is the actual course.

Unit 3 AoS1: Language according to user
-Australian English, and comparing it to international English varieties on all of the subsystem levels
-The concept of Standard English
-The varieties of Australian English: Broad, General and Cultivated
-Social attitudes towards these varieties
-Aboriginal English - YES IT IS A DIFFERENT KIND OF ENGLISH!
-Ethnocultural varieties of Australian English, which arise when non-English language speakers transfer features of their first language into English
-The ability of language the reaffirm and create identity: individually, socially, culturally and nationally

A few examples so you get the basic idea.
-Semantically, in Australian English, the word 'bum' refers to a part of the human anatomy, whereas in the US, 'bum' means a homeless person
-Syntactically, Australian English speakers have a tendency to use the pronoun 'me' as opposed to the possessive pronoun 'my' to allude to their belongings (e.g. 'Come to me house')


AoS 2: Language variation according to use
-The holy grail of English, 'The Principle of Appropriateness'   (basically just means be appropriate for the situation)
-Social distance, positive and negative politeness and power relations     (are you communicating with someone you know well or not?  are they your superior?)
-Jargon and slang (jargon is the use of language specialized to a specific topic/profession and allows for fast, expedient communication, wheareas slang is generally more informal, used by everyone, and can play an important role in forming group identity)
-Social taboos, euphemism and dysphemism  (e.g euphemism = person with a mental diability   dysphemism = spastic)
-Doublespeak and public language (government and corporations using language to mislead e.g. voluntary resignation program = people getting fired)
-Political Correctness (gender, race, sexuality etc.) (don't offend anyone based on any aspect of their identity)

Unit 3: Other general areas which you should know:
-Origins of English, especially Australian English
-Language and power
-Language use in technology
-Teen speak
-Varying language to suit the context

On the end of year exam, you have to be able to write a detailed essay on any of the Unit 3 content.  Unit 4 is question and analytical based.  It is possible that you could however incorporate some of the Unit 4 content into an essay.

Unit 4 AoS 1: Spoken Language
-Conventions of the mode (e.g. dynamic, more slang, transient, shorter sentences, quicker to change, errors)
-Reading conversation transcripts and understanding the key
-Usually it will be either a conversation, interview or sports commentary
-Discourse particles (words such as 'well' and 'yeah no' which have no meaning but are used unconsciously as conversation strategies
-Topic management/Turn taking
-Prosodic features (e.g. stress=emphasis, rising intonation= signals a question, increasing tempo/volume=builds tension and excitement)
-Paralinguistic features (e.g. laughter, intake of breath etc.)
-Backchaining and minimal utterances and overlapping speech
-Grice's Cooperative Principle of Conversation (don't lie, don't be obscure, be relevant and give adequate information)

Unit 4 AoS 2: Written Language
-Conventions of the mode (e.g. static, less slang, permanent, longer sentences, longer to change, no errors)
-Analysis of a wide variety of written texts including articles, advertisements and literature
-The concepts of Cohesion (what links elements of the text together?) and Coherence (what gives the text meaning and makes it understandable?)
-All pretty much grammar and metalanguage based, which you just have to know.  Bit hard to explain here but a basic example is a conjunction such as 'but' creates cohesion by linking two coordinating sentences together.
-After you learn all of the grammar and metalanguage, it is actually quite easy.  It doesn't matter what text you get, questions will rarely be different
-Stylistic features: are pretty much the style the writer uses (i.e. a opinion piece may include lots of puns or similes)

And overall for Unit 4, you just have to be able to identify the function of the Spoken/Written text.  i.e. conversation is often for social 'phatic' purposes.  Articles and opinion pieces have the goal of 'persuading' and/or entertaining.

Anyhow, if you are like me and you hate English, especially essays, then you will hate this English the least as it has only 1 essay on the exam. :)
Also, if you put in the time, it is very interesting and rewarding to know how the everyday language which you use works.
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Re: Literature vs English Language.
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2010, 07:52:56 pm »
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Its crazy! I'm literally 50/50.. What should I do? I can adapt to either..

to just offer some personal experience in the subject, I loved lit last year, was fun, plenty of open discussion and the exam- provided that VCAA isn't unkind with the passages and you know the text well you'll do well. there aren't definitive answers and if you like such subjects- which the heavily maths and science based students don't then lit's the way to go.

while I thoroughly enjoyed lit last year, this year i've heard nothing but bitching from my friends who do english language. their homework hasn't sounded too fun.
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Re: Literature vs English Language.
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2010, 08:39:24 pm »
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I've been asking my friends that have done Language and lit.. I really think Language is for me, I don't "hate" writing essays, but they're not something I love either :P

Thank you so much for your input guys, really appreciate it. Stonecold's text made me turn 100/0 for Language, language being in the favour of course :P

Once again, I really appreciate it.

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Re: Literature vs English Language.
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2010, 08:48:48 pm »
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Don't disregard Lit. It is good.

I would also consider the teacher for each subject. A bad teacher can make even the best subject loathsome.
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Re: Literature vs English Language.
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2010, 09:58:49 pm »
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I really think Language is for me, I don't "hate" writing essays, but they're not something I love either :P

English Language has a lot essays. Two or three sacs that are essays and one on the exam which makes up a lot of your mark (not to mention practise essays you will be writing).

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Re: Literature vs English Language.
« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2010, 10:30:26 pm »
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Literature is for people who read all day and english language is for those who are already naturally capable of learning a different language..i think.
I wouldn't choose either as let's be honest here, doing english language = chickening out from doing real English (:P) and reading annoys the shiet out of me. har har
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« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2010, 10:33:19 pm »
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I really think Language is for me, I don't "hate" writing essays, but they're not something I love either :P

English Language has a lot essays. Two or three sacs that are essays and one on the exam which makes up a lot of your mark (not to mention practise essays you will be writing).

Not if you got to my shit hole school.  1 SAC was an essay.

And compare that to English where every SAC is an essay.  Pretty clear cut.
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Re: Literature vs English Language.
« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2010, 11:27:05 pm »
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I really think Language is for me, I don't "hate" writing essays, but they're not something I love either :P

English Language has a lot essays. Two or three sacs that are essays and one on the exam which makes up a lot of your mark (not to mention practise essays you will be writing).

I didn't say I couldn't do well on them, i just stated the fact that they can be boring xD.
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Re: Literature vs English Language.
« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2010, 11:37:20 pm »
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Literature is for people who read all day and english language is for those who are already naturally capable of learning a different language..i think.
I wouldn't choose either as let's be honest here, doing english language = chickening out from doing real English (:P) and reading annoys the shiet out of me. har har

Disagree, Literature is for people who can interpret and write well, English Language is for those proficient at analysing language itself.  You don't have to read a lot to do the former, although it helps.
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Re: Literature vs English Language.
« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2010, 12:42:19 am »
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I didn't say I couldn't do well on them, i just stated the fact that they can be boring xD.
^^ Stonecold, where do you go to?
I didn't say you said you couldn't do well on them. Just stated the fact that language has essays lolz