Methods 3+4 in Year 11?

[taiga]

MHS won't be able to work out a timetable for 3/4 methods in year 12..

Or that's what we were told when the src put it forward.

[jane1234]

I did it this year (yr 11), having done 1/2 last year. It's not a hard subject; I don't see what the big deal is.

EDIT: Each year, my school gives 3 academic prizes to the top 3 students in methods, by SAC ranking. They went to me, and two other year 11s - none of the year 12s.

Same. Methods award went to me and one other year 11, it's probably because we really only have one subject to focus on, not five like all the year 12s.

[Romperait]

At my school, maths prizes traditionally aren't given out to year 11s (all other subjects are fair game for both year levels).

[sam.utute]

At my school, maths prizes traditionally aren't given out to year 11s (all other subjects are fair game for both year levels).

That's kinda weird. How come? At RSC, it's generally the year 11s who get the awards. More focused on their only year 12 subject. That being said, its slowly changing as the Students become more interested in the sport and art academies, rather than their academic performance.

[Romperait]

At my school, maths prizes traditionally aren't given out to year 11s (all other subjects are fair game for both year levels).

That's kinda weird. How come? At RSC, it's generally the year 11s who get the awards. More focused on their only year 12 subject. That being said, its slowly changing as the Students become more interested in the sport and art academies, rather than their academic performance.

Honestly don't know. I guess the people that are especially good at maths would receive a prize in the following year for specialist anyway (there's no distinction between maths prizes - they're just for general excellence in mathematics or whatever).

[eeps]

My school gives out prizes for absolutely everything (i.e. sport, academic, music, drama, debating, school service etc). Year 11 awards are also up from grabs - that is 1/2 subject prizes. Students in Year 11 can win prizes for their 3/4 subjects as well. My school gives out the same number of awards for Year 12 as they do for Year 11. xD

[tagasauras_dan]

Methods 3+4 in Year 11?

MHS does't let us, but I just want to know what the general consensus is.

Graduated in 2010 from MHS and to be honest I'm a supporter of their current policy.  While the majority of students there would probably be able to cope with methods 3/4 in year 11, I guess the idea is that if you do 3/4 in year 11, you'll probably have to cover 1/2 content in year 10, and a lot of 1/2 and obviously 3/4 relies on assumed knowledge from year 10.  I'm currently tutoring students doing 1/2 in year 10, and they have to work doubly hard to cover year 10 content simumltaneously as 1/2 content.

[EvangelionZeta]

Methods 3+4 in Year 11?

MHS does't let us, but I just want to know what the general consensus is.

Graduated in 2010 from MHS and to be honest I'm a supporter of their current policy.  While the majority of students there would probably be able to cope with methods 3/4 in year 11, I guess the idea is that if you do 3/4 in year 11, you'll probably have to cover 1/2 content in year 10, and a lot of 1/2 and obviously 3/4 relies on assumed knowledge from year 10.  I'm currently tutoring students doing 1/2 in year 10, and they have to work doubly hard to cover year 10 content simumltaneously as 1/2 content.

This is assuming you have to do 1/2 in year 10.  At MGS, they streamed the "top set" of maths students beginning from year 9, so that they accelerate through the year 9/10 curriculum and cover a tiny bit of Methods 1/2 in year 10.  Then in year 11, when they do Methods 3/4 (IF they do it), they all get put into a special class together, which effectively teaches 1/2 and 3/4 in the same year. 

[Romperait]

Methods 3+4 in Year 11?

MHS does't let us, but I just want to know what the general consensus is.

Graduated in 2010 from MHS and to be honest I'm a supporter of their current policy.  While the majority of students there would probably be able to cope with methods 3/4 in year 11, I guess the idea is that if you do 3/4 in year 11, you'll probably have to cover 1/2 content in year 10, and a lot of 1/2 and obviously 3/4 relies on assumed knowledge from year 10.  I'm currently tutoring students doing 1/2 in year 10, and they have to work doubly hard to cover year 10 content simumltaneously as 1/2 content.

This is assuming you have to do 1/2 in year 10.  At MGS, they streamed the "top set" of maths students beginning from year 9, so that they accelerate through the year 9/10 curriculum and cover a tiny bit of Methods 1/2 in year 10.  Then in year 11, when they do Methods 3/4 (IF they do it), they all get put into a special class together, which effectively teaches 1/2 and 3/4 in the same year. 

And even if my input for this is probably meaningless, this system does work. =)

[Pixon]

This is assuming you have to do 1/2 in year 10.  At MGS, they streamed the "top set" of maths students beginning from year 9, so that they accelerate through the year 9/10 curriculum and cover a tiny bit of Methods 1/2 in year 10.  Then in year 11, when they do Methods 3/4 (IF they do it), they all get put into a special class together, which effectively teaches 1/2 and 3/4 in the same year. 

And even if my input for this is probably meaningless, this system does work. =)

+1...I think so too

Personally, I think the benefit of doing Methods 3/4 in year 11 is the chance to focus on it. I think it requires a lot of work especially with practise exams nearer to the end of the year, and I've watched the year 12s having to struggle because they couldn't do as much, balancing with all their other 3/4s. We have about 20 doing 3/4 in year 11, not all of them "exceptional" at mathematics, but because they had that chance to focus on it for a year, they beat the year 12s and perhaps did better than they would with doing the 1/2 in year 11 BUT having 4 or 5 other 3/4s in year 12.

[taiga]

I have a couple year 10s doing methods from perfectly good public schools. I can tell they are naturally quite good at maths, but the foundations don't seem quite solid enough for methods...

They are able to convert rather complex worded problems into equations and solve them; and also do those "cone of death" type questions... yet if I give them a quadratic to factorize, the instantaneous recognition of number pairs for most good methods student just is not there, and I suspect it is a result of those skills not being developed enough in previous years.

That said there is obviously a large group of talented students who have done work at home/outside of school to do well in Mathematics; I just think that alot of schools offer methods in year 11 whilst not really having prepared students well enough in previous years.

[myheaven]

LOL my school is the complete opposite - it encourages students to do a 3/4 subject in Year 11 - to experience what VCE exams are like as opposed to normal, internal school exams. My school offers Methods 3/4 (though must have done Units 1/2 in Year 10), Bio 3/4, Accounting 3/4, Geo 3/4, International Studies 3/4 etc at the Year 11 level.

The only requirement you need to do a 3/4 subject in Year 11 (at my school) is to get better than a C+ in that particular area and maintain decent grades across all other subjects.

damn MHS! they only let you do a 3+4 (bio, accounting or psych) if you average B+ or higher, or have special parental permission to do so

what?
I don't recall any prerequisite like that
and my year 10 report was quite horrible LOL

[pi]

LOL my school is the complete opposite - it encourages students to do a 3/4 subject in Year 11 - to experience what VCE exams are like as opposed to normal, internal school exams. My school offers Methods 3/4 (though must have done Units 1/2 in Year 10), Bio 3/4, Accounting 3/4, Geo 3/4, International Studies 3/4 etc at the Year 11 level.

The only requirement you need to do a 3/4 subject in Year 11 (at my school) is to get better than a C+ in that particular area and maintain decent grades across all other subjects.

damn MHS! they only let you do a 3+4 (bio, accounting or psych) if you average B+ or higher, or have special parental permission to do so

what?
I don't recall any prerequisite like that
and my year 10 report was quite horrible LOL

Did you have to see your co-ordinator? (if your in MHS that is...)

B+ cut-off was for people who got instantly accepted in their 3+4s.

[iNerd]

B+ cut-off was for people who got instantly accepted in their 3+4s.

Hmm for us 2010 Year 10s it was different. Depending on your subject, the subject co-ordinator would look at those grades and make an on-site decision. For example, Psychology looked at English, Science and Psychology Unit 1 (if applicable). I had a HD2 (A) average English, HD1 (A+) average Science and an A average for Psychology. However I know of people who got in with Bs in Psychology Unit 1 itself - the system is very lenient!

[burbs]

Yeah nah there is no B+ thing required.