Another MBBS VCE Question

[MBBS]

Say we have two people, person X and person Y.

Person X has studied about 3 hours a night from years 7-11. Going into year 12, he studies 4 hours a night. He is slightly less intelligent than person Y

Person Y is more intelligent. He however has not studied at all from years 7-10 yet has started studying hard in semester two and has really improved as a student. Going into year 12, he studies like crazy, literally doing 7 or so hours a day and full concentration in class. He is absolutely committed.


Which one would win out?


The real question I'm trying to ask is, how much of year 12 exams/year 12 in general asses simply what you have learnt in year 12? How much is accumulated knowledge?


Please discuss.

[MBBS]

No answers?

[Russ]

From experience, person X will "win". I've never seen anybody do what person Y is doing. Not saying it can't happen, but I think that it's going to be fairly heavily weighted towards person X. Person Y can still do very well and achieve good scores but on average, I'd think that X would have an edge.

Also, 7 hours of study a day is counterproductive, please don't do it.

e, an 8 minute bump, have patience

[m@tty]

I'd say that there is very little required knowledge of things before year 12. Although it would obviously help to have solid foundations for mathematics, science and english etc.

I really think that at the beginning of the year ANYONE, no matter their prior results, can achieve 50 in their subjects. Also I'd say after ~3 hours of study a night you'd start burning out REALLY quickly.

[Studyinghard]

Its not about "winning" in terms of getting the highest ATAR, its about achieving your best.

[jasoN-]

IMO:
Person X will do well, although I do know some people who attempt to do a "Person Y". Honestly if you're lazy throughout you're school life, it's pretty damn hard and I guess lucky, to do well in a "cram year"

[eeps]

My school had a student last year or the year before who didn't "apparently" (can't be sure) study as hard as he could have in Years 7-9 or something, yet he ended up getting 99.95 in Year 12 - it's very rare to find a student like that.

If you put in the consistent effort and time, then you'll be rewarded.

Its not about "winning" in terms of getting the highest ATAR, its about achieving your best.

I agree. No one can ask anything more of you, if you know [in yourself] that you have given your best possible shot.

[happyhappyland]

Person Y for sure. I have tons of people like Person Y who attain perfection since they only focus on VCE stuff. Im sort of a person Y as I failed chem and got D and C in other subjects in year 11 but managed to do very well in year 12 cos i studied consistent (around 3-4 hours a day) through the whole year and I was a bit more mature.

[stonecold]

In theory, I think person Y would win.  But as Russ said, I doubt a person Y exists in real life.

So in practice person X would probably do better.

My opinion on VCE is it is really all about exam technique.  Students who have done exams from very early on in high school and taken them seriously are probably at a significant advantage over other students in terms of managing exam revision as well as the time constraints and stress/pressure of exams.

[MBBS]

Of course I agree with you studyinghard, I'm just curious which way would prove more successful.
Sorry Russ, I'm nervous going into year 12.

Unfortunately I'm Person Y. I just find that it took soooooo long this semester before I started achieving the same results as the top students, even though I studied harder than them. i would fully understand the concepts and stuff up on simple stuff. I'm eradicating that lack of foundation-knowledge though, slowly but surely. I'm just scared there are students, in other schools, who have unassailable leads over myself.

I'm not so much lazy, I've just never looked at school with any benefits. I've always achieved relatively high marks, like 90% or so.  All my teachers have always maintained that I had to study hard over the next two years two get into engineering. I never wanted to do engineering. I asked about Medicine, all I was told is that in the last 25 years, 3 students have got into Medicine from my school and I wouldn't get in. Then at the midyear parent-teachers, one of the teachers said that I should study hard because he thought I could get into Medicine, if I put in the effort. It was such a turning point, I've become a very hard worker. But you have to understand, I've never been lazy to school, just found it very easy/boring. They are very different things.

[MBBS]

FWIW

A section of my year 10 maths report reads, "Y has achieved some commendable test results throughout the semester. However, to build successful study skills for his VCE studies, he should not rely on natural ability and is encouraged to build regular study habits."

I mean honestly, I never saw any benefits in listening in class/doing homework. I would always achieve relatively good results without preparing and I never saw that school lead to anything I liked growing up in a poor suburb. Hence, all I concentrated on was sport. I trained 5 times a week. I was quite good. So by no means am I a lazy human being.

[chrisjb]

Person Y wins. I am person Y.

[Russ]

Of course I agree with you studyinghard, I'm just curious which way would prove more successful.

More successful is person X on average. Person Y can still enjoy the same success, it's just rarer. I was halfway between X and Y and did well, it's not impossible. Key to year 12 is not to put extra pressure on yourself.

[happyhappyland]

Of course I agree with you studyinghard, I'm just curious which way would prove more successful.
Sorry Russ, I'm nervous going into year 12.

Unfortunately I'm Person Y. I just find that it took soooooo long this semester before I started achieving the same results as the top students, even though I studied harder than them. i would fully understand the concepts and stuff up on simple stuff. I'm eradicating that lack of foundation-knowledge though, slowly but surely. I'm just scared there are students, in other schools, who have unassailable leads over myself.

I'm not so much lazy, I've just never looked at school with any benefits. I've always achieved relatively high marks, like 90% or so.  All my teachers have always maintained that I had to study hard over the next two years two get into engineering. I never wanted to do engineering. I asked about Medicine, all I was told is that in the last 25 years, 3 students have got into Medicine from my school and I wouldn't get in. Then at the midyear parent-teachers, one of the teachers said that I should study hard because he thought I could get into Medicine, if I put in the effort. It was such a turning point, I've become a very hard worker. But you have to understand, I've never been lazy to school, just found it very easy/boring. They are very different things.

Getting into medicine is not just about your school, if you really wanted to get into undergrad medicine you should have gone to medstudentonline forum and checked out the expectations and standards of those who get into medicine. I always knew atar-wise (there also the umat), those who get into medicine, are like in the 98-99 but I came to these forums to see what standard a 98-99 actually IS.

[Cianyx]

I'm person Y, minus the intelligence and hardwork