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Re: Does the perfect English essay exist?
« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2010, 02:12:10 am »
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Once again, I never mentioned real life. I must have misread your by-line - I suppose it will hopefully be a message for your future at uni then. The VCE system is flawed, yes, but I quite like the new English curriculum and enjoy teaching it - good, eloquent writers who are succinct and effective, which original ideas, are generally rewarded. 'your empirical observations' hey? Lol to define judgment as anything but subjective would be illogical, but I find it interesting you use empirical observations to quantify a subjective issue...

By the way, I believe you used sanctimonious in the wrong context. Perhaps you meant condescending? Given the manner of your approach in tackling a non-issue, I feel it's warranted.

Also, I have a relatively thorough knowledge of psychology for a layman, but utterly fail to understand your freudian reference...?
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Re: Does the perfect English essay exist?
« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2010, 02:13:20 am »
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and thanks Mao, somehow my message must'nt have come across clearly - except to you.
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Re: Does the perfect English essay exist?
« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2010, 02:18:05 am »
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  ^Case in point, Collin Li got 36 for English; Eriny got 38. Need I say more?
this is a good point. But had they achieved 50s, my point still stands. It's quite unfortunate that prospective students determine the quality of tutors by their study scores, when in reality, these are merely haphazard yardsticks that measure your ability to spew out a few paragraphs that tick all the boxes. You might achieve a 50 and get away with the dreaded 'TEEL' come October. . .
For a subject such as VCE English, you could get away with 3 "perfect" pieces of garbage.

Case point:
Meaningless pieces of advice like this:
Hint for next year though, be a little bit more definitive in your writing, and less whimsical/quasi philosophical:
Tell a struggling student to be more "definitive", and they'll have no idea what you're talking about. You may as well summarise this drivel into 2 words: "wRiTe Better"

Sure, one should ask a prospective tutor to "sell themselves" (not literally) before deciding to employ them. True for maths as well, ability to tutor certainly isn't inherent in pure mathematical ability.

  
There was a forum member "gonzo" who might have been from your school, reckoned he got a 50 simply by dazzling the examiners. (I know "bebobebo", who shared good my taste in films was at your school.)
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Re: Does the perfect English essay exist?
« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2010, 02:25:39 am »
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"The VCE system is flawed, yes, but I quite like the new English curriculum and enjoy teaching it - good, eloquent writers who are succinct and effective, which original ideas, are generally rewarded."
-there is no disagreement here. Every student reading this topic should know that perfection is unattainable. Simple as that. You can craft your piece to the curriculum, include original ideas and end up with a 10. Is it perfect? no.

lol at the attempt to denigrate my 2am language with ad hominems because you've run out of arguments.
- Do you suggest that subjective conclusions cannot be drawn from empiricism?
- Nope. Sanctimonious was used properly in context (see it's these little, irrelevant things that get you). Condescending is slightly too harsh, and I don't believe you post out of malice. Dare I say that your posts strike me as rather recalcitrant instead. Too absorbed within the system to allow the transfer of new, original ideas.
- It was a non issue. Until you began debating me on a point we both seem to agree on.
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Re: Does the perfect English essay exist?
« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2010, 02:29:30 am »
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Mod edit: split offtopic threads.

why does everything on VN turn into a goddamn debate >.>
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Re: Does the perfect English essay exist?
« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2010, 02:35:23 am »
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Mod edit: split offtopic threads.

why does everything on VN turn into a goddamn debate >.>
Why are you splitting threads at 2:30am? Is this what the cruel taskmasters at VN inc hire you to do?
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Re: Does the perfect English essay exist?
« Reply #21 on: December 03, 2010, 02:37:07 am »
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Mod edit: split offtopic threads.

why does everything on VN turn into a goddamn debate >.>
Why are you splitting threads at 2:30am? Is this what the cruel taskmasters at VN inc hire you to do?

No, kind sir. We are normal people just like you, and we like staying up till 4 in the morning. :)
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Re: Does the perfect English essay exist?
« Reply #22 on: December 03, 2010, 02:38:08 am »
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I believe the topic was split because the current discussion has very little to do with the thread it originated from and is probably not going to help the OP of that thread.

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Re: Does the perfect English essay exist?
« Reply #23 on: December 03, 2010, 02:39:16 am »
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Mod edit: split offtopic threads.

why does everything on VN turn into a goddamn debate >.>
Why are you splitting threads at 2:30am? Is this what the cruel taskmasters at VN inc hire you to do?

No, kind sir. We are normal people just like you, and we like staying up till 4 in the morning. :)
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Re: Does the perfect English essay exist?
« Reply #24 on: December 03, 2010, 02:40:30 am »
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Haha - once again, all I will say is that you are disagreeing with something I never said. Ever since, I have been trying to rectify your misconception (and various other flaws purely because I became impatient). That, and that having graduated last year, I am hardly recalcitrant lol.

Side note: I don't believe I relied on moral superiority (sanctimonious) or ethos/pathos (by arguing ad hominem) at all... and I further disagree - empiricism indicates merely correlation; conclusions are very different (and subjective).

 
Tell a struggling student to be more "definitive", and they'll have no idea what you're talking about. You may as well summarise this drivel into 2 words: "wRiTe Better"

What I meant by saying writing 'definitively' is more simplistically - to focus on what you're trying to say, rather than how you're saying it. I gave clear examples of where I thought this was lacking, and obviously would have gone into more depth had I thought Chavi would have appreciated my advice (which somehow I doubt.).


 
There was a forum member "gonzo" who might have been from your school, reckoned he got a 50 simply by dazzling the examiners. (I know "bebobebo", who shared good my taste in films was at your school.)
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unsure who bebobebo is, but I certainly write (and advocate writing) in more or less the opposite way. I very rarely used words not found in everyday (albeit well-educated) language, and encourage complexity of ideas conveyed through clear and concise language.
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Re: Does the perfect English essay exist?
« Reply #25 on: December 03, 2010, 02:40:42 am »
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Mod edit: split offtopic threads.

why does everything on VN turn into a goddamn debate >.>
Why are you splitting threads at 2:30am? Is this what the cruel taskmasters at VN inc hire you to do?

No, kind sir. We are normal people just like you, and we like staying up till 4 in the morning. :)
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yep, it's been a whole semester now and I can eat loads without gaining weight.
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Re: Does the perfect English essay exist?
« Reply #26 on: December 03, 2010, 02:41:59 am »
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lol seems to work for me too
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Re: Does the perfect English essay exist?
« Reply #27 on: December 03, 2010, 03:01:02 am »
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Mod edit: split offtopic threads.

why does everything on VN turn into a goddamn debate >.>
Why are you splitting threads at 2:30am? Is this what the cruel taskmasters at VN inc hire you to do?

Chavi, my cherub, what can I say? My faithful Chavi-sense allows me to know whenever you've stirred up yet another debate and beckons me irresistibly to my computer so that I can fulfil my destiny as VCENOTES GLOBAL MODERATOR

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Re: Does the perfect English essay exist?
« Reply #28 on: December 03, 2010, 06:06:19 pm »
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I gotta agree with herzy on this one.. ;)

You can meet and 'perfect' the requirements of VCE English for sure.. whilst we are always learning new things as we get older, we can only write at a secondary school level in the VCE and that's what compares us to the rest of the state - in the bid to get a 'perfect' 50 study score. But a 50 score is by no means an indicator of 'perfection'.. it just shows that you are in the top rank of the state cohort.. who may not be perfect. OK.. this debate is just really complicated!

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Re: Does the perfect English essay exist?
« Reply #29 on: December 03, 2010, 06:26:05 pm »
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Chavi, I didn't necessarily mean 'perfect' in a literal sense... it's the saying 'Practice makes perfect'. Nothing is perfect in our world. On another note, it really depends on how you define perfect. If one would define perfect as being a 50 in English, then sure, it's perfect to them. But literally, NOTHING is perfect as every single human being is different.
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