Science @ The University of Melbourne

[TrueLight]

yeah see so its only 2nd year units that are prereqs so this indicates that your suggested major should be either
Biochemistry and Molecular Biology or Physiology or Human Structure and Function if you plan to do medicine afterwards (but does not have to since you can do anything in 3rd year which you have the prereqs for)

So you couldn't major in Neuroscience if you wanted to go onto post grad med

you can because the prereqs are like 1st year bio and one of the electives needs PHRM20001 (534-201) Pharmacology: How Drugs Work which you can fit into 2nd year and then you can do Biochemistry and Molecular Biology, Integrative Human Physiology and i think u can fit the human structure unit as well...not sure about breadth whether you can do that in faculty of science or you HAVE to choose from elsewhere

[TrueLight]

If you major neuroscience... what masters can you do :S

this?
http://www.pathways.unimelb.edu.au/

[Slumdawg]

yeah see so its only 2nd year units that are prereqs so this indicates that your suggested major should be either
Biochemistry and Molecular Biology or Physiology or Human Structure and Function if you plan to do medicine afterwards (but does not have to since you can do anything in 3rd year which you have the prereqs for)

So you couldn't major in Neuroscience if you wanted to go onto post grad med

you can because the prereqs are like 1st year bio and one of the electives needs PHRM20001 (534-201) Pharmacology: How Drugs Work which you can fit into 2nd year and then you can do Biochemistry and Molecular Biology, Integrative Human Physiology and i think u can fit the human structure unit as well...not sure about breadth whether you can do that in faculty of science or you HAVE to choose from elsewhere

How would this be different in a biomed degree? I've heard all the prereqs are already in the course for you? Sorry if you don't know. Just asking in case you might

[TrueLight]

i believe its the exactly the same (in 3rd year), its just that yeah i think all the core units r set up for u in biomed...similar to monash...although u have to do two compulsory units in third year https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2010/B-BMED
BIOM30002 (526-328) Biomedicine: Molecule to Malady and BIOM30001 (534-308) Frontiers in Biomedicine

[Slumdawg]

i believe its the same, its just that yeah i think all the core units r set up for u in biomed...similar to monash

Thanks for the info Very much appreciated!

[mikee65]

they do work but you have to copy+paste the whole thing

for example HSF

in third year u need to do
ANAT30007 (516-311) Human Locomotor Systems
ANAT30008 (516-312) Viscera and Visceral Systems
plus two more HSF electives
2nd yr u need to have done this unit
ANAT20006 (516-210) Principles of Human Structure
and Integrative Human Physiology
and 1st year you do the biology units

monash has a better, easier website to navigate through 

mm is there someone at the campus we talk to before filling out all the electives ect when do we need to choose by? also I dont suppose if anyone knows if theres a pool at UoM?

[rustic_metal]

they do work but you have to copy+paste the whole thing

for example HSF

in third year u need to do
ANAT30007 (516-311) Human Locomotor Systems
ANAT30008 (516-312) Viscera and Visceral Systems
plus two more HSF electives
2nd yr u need to have done this unit
ANAT20006 (516-210) Principles of Human Structure
and Integrative Human Physiology
and 1st year you do the biology units

monash has a better, easier website to navigate through 

mm is there someone at the campus we talk to before filling out all the electives ect when do we need to choose by? also I dont suppose if anyone knows if theres a pool at UoM?

Yeah, there's a pool.

You can talk to people at student centres, but they're generally just older students and are just trained to process things. You can find out everything you need to know from the website, which is pretty much how they know everything they do (student comes in -> asks unusual question -> they search for it on the website and remember it). If you're really stuck, you can book an appointment with a course advisor.

If you're struggling to pick subjects, go to the handbook and search for your desired majors. That'll show you the individual 3rd year subjects in that major. Then click on each subject and find the prerequisites at 2nd year level. Then do the same to them to find the prerequisites for 1st year.

[Russ]

Truelight answered pretty much everything - you can do whatever major you want and still apply for medicine as long as you studied biochemistry/anatomy/physiology. The difference between science/biomed isn't much, it's just that the core subjects are designed to meet the prereqs (plus extra material) so you can do your major and not worry about taking subjects to qualify for the MD. Obviously some majors would be more relevant than others (maths vs anatomy etc.) but it's not a big difference.

You don't really need to worry about your major and all that until the end of 1st year. Taking chemistry and biology qualifies you for just about every health science related major.

[mikee65]

Truelight answered pretty much everything - you can do whatever major you want and still apply for medicine as long as you studied biochemistry/anatomy/physiology. The difference between science/biomed isn't much, it's just that the core subjects are designed to meet the prereqs (plus extra material) so you can do your major and not worry about taking subjects to qualify for the MD. Obviously some majors would be more relevant than others (maths vs anatomy etc.) but it's not a big difference.

You don't really need to worry about your major and all that until the end of 1st year. Taking chemistry and biology qualifies you for just about every health science related major.

cool thanks russ, what do the majority of med hopefulls major in, physiology, HSF, which ones are harder/easier overall, also in all honesty would entry to the MD be inclined more towards biomed rather than sci?

[Russ]

The entry question is asked by everyone I meet, the answer is essentially no. There are arguments either way and theories but I think the difference is pretty negligible. Each has pros and cons that balance out.

Anatomy is actually way less interesting than you think, it's a lot of rote memorization (although it has great mnemonics like Some Lovers Try Positions That They Cannot Handle) so that turned a lot of people off. Your major is pretty irrelevant to the MD but the big three would probably be HSF/physiology/microbiology or defense and disease

[mikee65]

The entry question is asked by everyone I meet, the answer is essentially no. There are arguments either way and theories but I think the difference is pretty negligible. Each has pros and cons that balance out.

Anatomy is actually way less interesting than you think, it's a lot of rote memorization (although it has great mnemonics like Some Lovers Try Positions That They Cannot Handle) so that turned a lot of people off. Your major is pretty irrelevant to the MD but the big three would probably be HSF/physiology/microbiology or defense and disease

ah i see, which ones are considered to be harder/easier?

[Russ]

Depends on what sort of person you are and what interests you and what your strengths are.

Anatomy is a lot of memory work and attracts students who are willing to do that to get H1s. Physiology is much more conceptual and requires you to be able to explain relationships between functional elements of the body etc (one of my exam questions was "describe key processes involved in the digestion and absorption of fats, including how they are controlled and what organs are involved"

My major (microbiology) is probably halfway between them, with some rote memory work but also some theory stuff. Other majors place great emphasis on lab techniques (pathology). Pharmacology and biochemistry are chemistry based so you'd need a grasp of that

[mikee65]

Depends on what sort of person you are and what interests you and what your strengths are.

Anatomy is a lot of memory work and attracts students who are willing to do that to get H1s. Physiology is much more conceptual and requires you to be able to explain relationships between functional elements of the body etc (one of my exam questions was "describe key processes involved in the digestion and absorption of fats, including how they are controlled and what organs are involved"

My major (microbiology) is probably halfway between them, with some rote memory work but also some theory stuff. Other majors place great emphasis on lab techniques (pathology). Pharmacology and biochemistry are chemistry based so you'd need a grasp of that

yea i can imagine, atm im contemplating physiology, think I might enjoy it most. Also you wouldnt happen to know of the topics covered in CHEM 1 would you?

[Russ]

Physiology is pretty good, it was my second choice.

Chem 101 will probably be organic chemistry and sugars/isomerism/tautomerism/conformations. You'll do optical isomerism and stereochemistry which is a bitch. You'll advance your knowledge of bonding (electro/nucleophiles, acids and bases etc.)

That's a bit of a guess based on what we had as an intro, here's the formal outline

The subject provides an introduction to stoichiometry; gases; energy and thermochemistry; chemical equilibrium; acid-base chemistry; properties of solutions, aspects of main group chemistry: structure and bonding in elements and compounds of groups 14-18; solutions and pH equilibria; physical properties of solution. intermolecular forces and extended solid state structures; structure and bonding of alkanes, alkenes and alkynes; benzene and its derivatives; functional groups; and spectroscopy and determination of structure.

[mikee65]

Physiology is pretty good, it was my second choice.

Chem 101 will probably be organic chemistry and sugars/isomerism/tautomerism/conformations. You'll do optical isomerism and stereochemistry which is a bitch. You'll advance your knowledge of bonding (electro/nucleophiles, acids and bases etc.)

That's a bit of a guess based on what we had as an intro, here's the formal outline

The subject provides an introduction to stoichiometry; gases; energy and thermochemistry; chemical equilibrium; acid-base chemistry; properties of solutions, aspects of main group chemistry: structure and bonding in elements and compounds of groups 14-18; solutions and pH equilibria; physical properties of solution. intermolecular forces and extended solid state structures; structure and bonding of alkanes, alkenes and alkynes; benzene and its derivatives; functional groups; and spectroscopy and determination of structure.

ah great thanks so much, mm why make physiology your 2nd choice?