Lowest ATARs at selective/private schools.

[pi]

Luke Ball pulled off a 98.8 and got 2nd pick in a draft. That's somewhat impressive.

And got into dentistry...

[Kennybhoy]

By dentistry you mean commerce/law?

[pi]

^^ I am pretty sure he got into dentistry (dunno if he went though)... lol, maybe that some other football player... (my bad if so)

[EvangelionZeta]

I say this without exaggeration or amplification - the dedication, diligence and conscientiousness of these young students, who have come from heavily disadvantaged backgrounds, is truly inspiring. To me, these students have definitely proven that education should not be evolved around competition or rankings, but about one's ability to reach their full potential, breathe an air of opportunity and work hard, regardless of their hardships. To see these kids happy, working together in state-of-the-art learning facilities, reaping all the benefits that the school has entrusted on them, definitely beats private school students' quests to beat that Asian kid in the next maths test, or other students' endless attempts to cheat the system and rally for a high ATAR, against the good will of their fellow peers and teachers.

I actually like the content of most of this post, but the specific example you give of "private school students' quests to beat that Asian kid in the next maths test" seems a bit overgeneralised and, to an extent, insulting. 

That you are taking over your Dad's business, so school doesn't matter.

I have cousins who are taking on that opportunity. One of them who finished VCE in 09 is already driving a brand new Mercedes CLK AMG.

Anyway I know someone who went to Scotch College but only got 50-some ENTER, having said that, Scotch is more renown for sports.

As for selective private schools, I guess >90 is probably the minimum.

Untrue - if anything, Scotch has a bit of a reputation for being fiercely academic in the maths/science areas nowadays.  I'd just put your point on that student as being an outlier.  Remember that Melbourne Grammar is in the same vein as Scotch (traditionally one of the highest achieving non-selective schools in the state) and has had similarly "low" results coming from it before.

On that note, there aren't really that any heavily selective private schools at all; rather, the most selective schools in the state would likely be MHS and MacRob.  I know as a fact that both of those schools regularly produce students with sub-90 ATARs as well; said students are in the minority, but it's a bit of a misunderstanding to assume that going to a selective school means that you'll automatically get an awesome score.

[pi]

On that note, there aren't really that any heavily selective private schools at all; rather, the most selective schools in the state would likely be MHS and MacRob.  I know as a fact that both of those schools regularly produce students with sub-90 ATARs as well; said students are in the minority,but it's a bit of a misunderstanding to assume that going to a selective school means that you'll automatically get an awesome score.

The number of times my dad tells me this, its not funny.

And MHS/MacRob aren't good because of teachers (or even the fact that they 'select' the 'best' students at year , if they banned their students from going to any private tuition (impossible to do, but just hypothetical), the median ATAR would drop by at least 5. For example, in my bio class this year (25 people), 20 (or 19) got 40+ raw and 22 did bio tutoring. And our teacher was the worst. Without that private tuition, the number of 40+ scores would have been around 8.

[werdna]

I actually like the content of most of this post, but the specific example you give of "private school students' quests to beat that Asian kid in the next maths test" seems a bit overgeneralised and, to an extent, insulting.  

Sorry about that EZ.. I was just on one of my rants. I definitely didn't mean to offend or insult anyone with that comment.

[werdna]

^ Rohitpi, I'm surprised at that.. would've thought MHS of all schools would have decent teachers.

[Russ]

MHS might be selective but they're still public and thus don't have the incentives that private schools offer.

[pi]

^ Rohitpi, I'm surprised at that.. would've thought MHS of all schools would have decent teachers.

Common misconception. We have the worst physics dep in the state, our English department is half-dud (thank god our yr12 teachers are good though), our maths dep only has about 3-4 teachers who are truly capable of teaching 3/4 methods, our bio dep was good until my teacher rocked up and lowered the standard, the head of history and debating (at least I think he is the head) is known to fall asleep in class, and our music dep is getting constantly rearranged (3 changes in three years). Only our eco/BM, chem, PE/health and geo deps are any good. I can't really talk for our art or accounting deps, having never really done art and having never attempted accounting.

MHS might be selective but they're still public and thus don't have the incentives that private schools offer.

This.

[EvangelionZeta]

MHS might be selective but they're still public and thus don't have the incentives that private schools offer.

Third'd.  From what I hear, MacRob has the same sort of problem on the whole.

[iNerd]

Common misconception. We have the worst physics dep in the state, our English department is half-dud (thank god our yr12 teachers are good though), our maths dep only has about 3-4 teachers who are truly capable of teaching 3/4 methods, our bio dep was good until my teacher rocked up and lowered the standard, the head of history and debating (at least I think he is the head) is known to fall asleep in class, and our music dep is getting constantly rearranged (3 changes in three years). Only our eco/BM, chem, PE/health and geo deps are any good. I can't really talk for our art or accounting deps, having never really done art and having never attempted accounting.

+infinity. The Physics faculty is lower than shit, possibly bullshit The English is slightly better due to an old woman retiring (finally, although suffered her in Y9) and yeah he's the head of debating and history LOL (free diploma credits mind you). Our Eco/BM is pretty impressive though. IMO MHS does well because of the peer competition.

[burbs]

I think commerce is our strongest faculty.

[Cappuccinos]

My schools a private/catholic school and we're not that great

These are the 2009 results ("a good year")...  I'm not suprised 2010 results haven't been published, average study score dropped to 28 :S

Dux: 98.15
7.2% earned an ENTER of 90 or higher.
22.5% earned an ENTER of 80 or higher.
15% gained Study Scores above 40. (Average Study Score was 30)
92.19% received an offer of a tertiary placement.

We do have a big cohort though...  ~300 YR 12s doing vce.

I'm pretty sure it'd be pretty hard to get a ATAR less than 30. It's probably 'I don't give a crap about vce' people getting less than 30 I think (Why even bother?!) and we do a few of them; some drop out, a majority do VCAL, and some were dusted off during 'spring cleaning'. And besides wouldn't your SAC marks send alarm bells ringing for the teachers? Our teachers would be like 'improve your marks or gtfo.'   

Um but yeah, I haven't ever heard of anyone getting lower than 30 before, lowest I've heard is 50. But then again, would you tell people if you got less than 30 :S

[Russ]

Because of this thread, I actually went and checked my old high school (private) and they had 43% over 90 in 2010

So yeah, I would expect there to be a correlation

[pi]

I think commerce is our strongest faculty.

And geo. Although I disliked geo, the teachers really know their stuff over in the 'geo wing'.

My schools a private/catholic school and we're not that great

You should see the private/Catholic schools around where I live (outer-west), those stats would be dreamy for those schools... Dux is usually 93-94.