MUEP Maths - MTH1040 vs. MTH1055/MTH1085?

[Sakigami]

I received an offer for MUEP in Unit MTH1040.
I've read many VNers here who have done MUEP in the past, that you guys undertook MTH1055/MTH1085 at Clayton?  

I'm curious to know if anyone knows the difference between MTH1040 and MTH1055/MTH1085, seeing as Clayton no longer offers MTH1055/MTH1085 anymore..

And if anyone could answer these questions...
1. Is MTH1040 harder than MTH1055/MTH1085, given that I haven't done Methods 3/4 or General Advanced 1/2 yet.
2. Does MTH1040 overlap as much as MTH1055/MTH1085 with the VCE Methods/Spesh course, or is it entirely different?

Opinions/Thoughts?

[enwiabe]

I can field this.

Firstly your questions then a bit more background info.

1) If you haven't done Methods 3/4 or Gen A 1/2 then buckle up. You're in for a WILD ride. The learning curve will be difficult (but not impossible). You go far above and beyond both Methods and Spec in this course. BUT. It starts off slowly, and the difficulty gradient is manageable if you keep up with the work.

2) MTH1040 *contains* the Spec/Methods course (except for dynamics/kinematics in spec), but does not EQUAL the course. That is, Methods and Spec are a subset of MTH1040 but MTH1040 is a much larger beast.

Now for some background info

You guys are guinea pigs!

Recently, the School of Mathematical Sciences audited their course offerings and decided to streamline the MUEP subject to fit in with the nomenclature and structure of their other units.

Together, MAT1055 and MT1085 were roughly equivalent to MTH1030. MTH1040 is now (bar a few -minor- differences) exactly equal to MTH1030. And it is now in the same nomenclature as the other first yr units. MTH1010 = Methods, MTH1020 = Specialist, MTH1030 = First Year Maths (Continuation from Spec Maths), and MTH1040 = MTH1030 for Enhancement Students.

EDIT: On closer inspection of the syllabus, some topics in MTH1040 are explored in greater depth than in MTH1030, presumably because MTH1030 is a one semester subject, and MTH1040 is a full year subject.

I believe MTH1040 has been entered into the WES (Web Enrolment System) as being equal to MTH1030 so if you continue with studies in a BSc at Monash after VCE, you're auto-credited with exemption from MTH1030 and I believe your mark in MTH1040 will count towards your degree! So that's something nice to look forward to.

All in all, it was a name change and a few content changes to more closely resemble the first semester, first year unit offered by Monash.

It should be no harder than the MAT1055/MAT1085 pairing. I think the main difference will be that while you have two exams (mid-yr and end of year), they both make up 60% of your mark for the whole unit so each exam will only be worth 30%. As opposed to previously where each exam was worth 60% of an entire unit. So it takes the pressure off a bit. But also, assignments (worth 40%) become a lot more important!

Hope this was of help.

[Sakigami]

Thanks for the response, enwiabe.
Knowing that the course will cover what is from Methods and Specialist mostly and go beyond is a positive thing - I'm only undertaking 4 subjects this year, so I think picking up Uni Maths will be a great challenge!

From your response, I'm most likely going to accept the offer for Uni Maths and share my experiences about the new "MTH1040" course also. hahaha.

[spaciiey]

Sorry to hijack this thread -- but with MTH 1030, d'you reckon I'd still be okay in it, seeing as I got C+ on both exams but an overall study score which puts me in a B range?

[TrueTears]

mth1030 is pretty easy, you should give it a go

[vea]

MUEP is no longer as easy as it use to be

No calculators and no notes in the exam... gg

I also heard that first year uni students aren't being offered MTH1040? Is this true? If so, how would it work if only the enhancement students were studying it? In terms of scoring...

[Sakigami]

MUEP is no longer as easy as it use to be

No calculators and no notes in the exam... gg

I also heard that first year uni students aren't being offered MTH1040? Is this true? If so, how would it work if only the enhancement students were studying it? In terms of scoring...

This.
They changed the assessment for this subject entirely. ^^ Hahaha. And Hough isn't coordinator for the moment since he had some abrupt thing to attend to - so.. this leaves this in a bit of a dilemma.

[m@tty]

At Monash scoring is based on your mark, not a percentile. If you get 80 or over you get 5.5, 60-79=5.0 and 40-59=4.0 (actually, it might be 50-59 because I think <50 is a fail.. not sure though.)

[vea]

At Monash scoring is based on your mark, not a percentile. If you get 80 or over you get 5.5, 60-79=5.0 and 40-59=4.0 (actually, it might be 50-59 because I think <50 is a fail.. not sure though.)

Ohh that explains things! It would be such a pain to be ranked amongst the other enhancement students. xD

[Mao]

A few more things to add:

Back in the days of MTH1055/MTH1085, three versions of each course was actually offered, on-campus enhancement, first year sequence at Gippsland and off-campus enhancement. This made the assessments a bit hard to coordinate, because on-campus was managed by Dr Hough and off-campus was managed by Dr Carr, there have been some dispute over whether they were equivalent in difficulty (off-campus assignments were slightly harder, but they got more resources). It also made exams a bit different, as enhancement section of the exam was a bit different to Gippsland section of the exam.

This more or less streamlined the administration, and Hough can administer his cohort of on-campus kids. Previously not enough people did the enhancement program on campus, the number has recently increased enough to have its own subject code. MTH1055/MTH1085 are still offered in off-campus mode by Dr Carr.

MTH1040 will be slightly more difficult than MTH1030, as enhancement kids generally outperform first-year students. MTH1040 will most probably credit MTH1020 and MTH1030 (monash-based math enhancement has always credited two units as far as I know).

[enwiabe]

MTH1040 will be slightly more difficult than MTH1030, as enhancement kids generally outperform first-year students. MTH1040 will most probably credit MTH1020 and MTH1030 (monash-based math enhancement has always credited two units as far as I know).

Er, MTH1020 = spec maths which is covered by doing spec maths... Enhancement maths has only ever exempted people from one unit, MTH1030.

[Mao]

MTH1040 will be slightly more difficult than MTH1030, as enhancement kids generally outperform first-year students. MTH1040 will most probably credit MTH1020 and MTH1030 (monash-based math enhancement has always credited two units as far as I know).

Er, MTH1020 = spec maths which is covered by doing spec maths... Enhancement maths has only ever exempted people from one unit, MTH1030.

* Mao waves arms

I got credited for both. Now I have to go get my MTH1020 cancelled so I can fit more units in. lol.

[enwiabe]

wtf i only got exempted from MTH1030...

[Mao]

wtf i only got exempted from MTH1030...

UMEP vs MUEP maybe? Everyone I know in MUEP who continued on with maths got credited for both.. /confuse

[m@tty]

wtf i only got exempted from MTH1030...

UMEP vs MUEP maybe? Everyone I know in MUEP who continued on with maths got credited for both.. /confuse

So I'll get 12 credit points?

Well prohibitions for 1020 includes 1055 and 1030 includes 1085..

Is it a bad thing to get credit? How does it restrict your units??