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Important theory for Redox Titrations
« on: March 17, 2011, 06:41:05 pm »
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What do you think are the most significant theory or type of questions for redox titrations?

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Re: Important theory for Redox Titrations
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2011, 07:29:18 pm »
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Oxidation numbers (I think) pretty much covers everything in Redox idf I'm not mistaken?
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Re: Important theory for Redox Titrations
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2011, 07:45:29 pm »
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Hmm yeah i guess so.
How about:
-spontaneous change of colour when the end point is reached
-a reductant and oxidant are reacted
-there are 2 half equations which make up the overall ionic equation


A question, when would we have to use a indicator? I know that you would need one if there is no change in oxidation no.s i.e. it's not a redox reaction, but my teacher said that some redox reactions need an indicator...

What are common questions on sacs? Like the theory MC ones.

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Re: Important theory for Redox Titrations
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2011, 09:14:03 pm »
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but my teacher said that some redox reactions need an indicator...

Thats because some redox reactions can also be acid-base

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Re: Important theory for Redox Titrations
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2011, 09:15:31 pm »
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but my teacher said that some redox reactions need an indicator...

Thats because some redox reactions can also be acid-base
oh ok thanks, this will be handy for our sac tomorrow :)

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Re: Important theory for Redox Titrations
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2011, 12:40:26 am »
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May I ask a small question that I doubt would ever come up but has been bugging me all week - why do you get a sudden colour change? I realise it's the equivalence point, but if I add reactant A to reactant B in deficit, why doesn't the deficit amount of reactant A react to form product A - which gives off some colour?

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Re: Important theory for Redox Titrations
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2011, 12:17:31 pm »
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May I ask a small question that I doubt would ever come up but has been bugging me all week - why do you get a sudden colour change? I realise it's the equivalence point, but if I add reactant A to reactant B in deficit, why doesn't the deficit amount of reactant A react to form product A - which gives off some colour?

I think I kind of understand what you mean.

Say you have a reaction involving MnO4- and Fe2+. What you have is MnO4- (strong purple) + Fe2+ (essentially colorless) + (other reactants) --> Mn2+ (essentially colorless) + Fe3+ (essentially colorless) + (other products)

What you already know: In the initial reaction vessel, you have MnO4-, the solution is purple. As you add some clear Fe2+, the color fades. Some of the purple is converted to the colorless product. Since Fe2+ is added in 'deficit' for now, the color of the remaining MnO4- persists, the solution is still purple. As the reaction continues, the MnO4- eventually is used up, and the color disappears (the final stage of fading is quite sudden). There is a sharp transition from coloured --> clear

What you are asking about: If, however, the reaction is actually reversed. That is Mn2+ + Fe3+ + (other things) --> MnO4- + Fe2+ + (other things), so the reaction1 is going from clear to purple. We will get a tinge of purple straight away as we add the reactants, and this color will deepen as the reaction proceeds. It is impossible to tell when we have reach the equivalence point, because this method's end point (point of sharp color change) is at the very beginning of the reaction. Thus this method simply does not work, and will not be used for a titration. Another method must be sought.

Did that answer your question?

1. This reaction won't actually happen spontaneously since it is the back reaction of a spontaneous reaction. It is used in this scenario as a hypothetical case of a clear --> coloured redox addition.
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Re: Important theory for Redox Titrations
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2011, 11:19:40 pm »
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That clarifies the idea a bit - but using your wording what I'm curious to know is... Why is there a sharp transition from coloured --> clear? Intuitively there will be a constant rate of colour change as a constant rate of reaction occurs. So why is there a definite end point? Well your titre volume becomes excess - the colour change will obviously stop as there is no reaction going on.

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Re: Important theory for Redox Titrations
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2011, 06:32:43 pm »
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That clarifies the idea a bit - but using your wording what I'm curious to know is... Why is there a sharp transition from coloured --> clear? Intuitively there will be a constant rate of colour change as a constant rate of reaction occurs. So why is there a definite end point? Well your titre volume becomes excess - the colour change will obviously stop as there is no reaction going on.
Sayit requires 10 mL. The first 9 mL would reduce the color by 90%, the next 0.9 mL would reduce it to 1% of original intensity. Each drop is ~0.1 mL, thus the last droplet would suddenly clear the solution.

A 'smooth' transition is what I would describe as no clear 'last drop' that changes the phase.
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