Do you guys ever feel like giving up during VCE

[Aurelian]

ATAR how do we know if we're accumulating a sleep debt? email or pm me the effects lol

yeah pm me too please

Me too please

I bet "feeling tired" is one of them! :3

[littlebecc]

Yeah, i felt like giving up.
But what i felt more was this immense guilt that stayed with me through the whole year. If i didn't do homework for like 1 night i would beat myself up about it.
Now i'm in uni and i've pretty much forgotten 60% of what i learned in year 12 lol.

[iNerd]

Try getting some more sleep, sleep is quite underrated in terms of education.

So fucking important.
You don't want to be accumulating a sleep debt 'cause it has immediate psychological effects and in the long term physiological effects.

If anyone wants a full list, PM me.

Well due to numerous PM's and demand I'll just post a mini-Psych lesson here.

Hmm a mini-Psych lesson - I'll do my best to cram some concepts in.

Firstly why do we sleep? Why can we not not sleep? Ever found yourself involuntarily lapsing into short bursts of sleep? (less than a min). That is called a microsleep and is a way for the body to recover from the lack of sleep it's getting.

How much sleep should you be getting it? I assume 16year olds therefore 9-10 hours.

Why? Because sleep has many restorative effects.

NREM (non-rapid-eye-movement sleep) restores you from fatigue and illness.
REM (rapid eye movement sleep) restores your mind, enhances mood and aids in consolidating memories.

Ever found yourself woken up early and been really grumpy? That's because most likely you've been woken up during a REM session (where dreaming occurs!) as REM sleep occurs earlier in the morning.

The effects of accumulating a sleep debt (sleep owed) are the following:


Psychological effects:

   Lack of energy
   Lapses in attention
   Inability to concentrate for an extended period of time
   Low level of motivation
   Irritability
   Occasional headaches
   Accessing information from long-term memory is affected
   Processing information in short-term memory can be significantly impaired.
   Thinking in irrational and illogical ways having difficulty solving problems that require creative thinking.


Physiological effects include:

   Sleepiness and fatigue [obvious and consistent]
   Hand tremors
   Drooping eyelids
   Difficulty focusing the eyes
   Lack of energy and strength
   Slurred speech
   Increased sensitivity of pain

For the more insane of you - if you go without sleep for 3+ days you can experience hallucinations, paranoia and suffer depression.

Hope that helped

[happycat]

This is for current/past VCE students, have you ever felt like theres no point working hard when all you get is a below average score? THis past week I've had 3 SACS, been studying non-stop, going to bed late, waking up early and now the best i can probably hope to achieve is a B. Any of you guys experienced/experiencing this?

yep, had that feeling often. Sometimes i've given it everything i had, lost sleep, revised and revised, worked on my weak points and still not got a payoff in marks.  I just chalked it up to experience and keep trying.  I dropped philosophy after unit 1 partly because of this frustration, did unit 2 the next year, then 3/4 after another break.  If i'd dropped it and given up, i'd probably have a nagging feeling about it - could i have done better if i'd continued?  I still didn't do very well, but i feel satisfied that i've explored my potential in that area.

Despite what some will tell you, not everyone can manage to get within cooee of 100% on every assessment by just trying harder.
If you've tried, and understand the material, then you can feel good that you've learned something well.  A B isn't such a bad grade, even if it isn't as good for your motivation (or your ego) as an A.  You may be suffering from grade inflation, where you perceive a B as an E.  It's not.  When you get to uni, you may well be over the moon about getting a B-equivalent.

I often feel this way but still go a head and make the effort, part of it is the X-factor so that means working your ass off doesn't automatically mean that you'll get say an A+. It's just that some people just "get"the subject whereas others don't. So as a result the individuals that "get" the subject may get an A+ inspite of doing less work than someone who doesn't yet paradoxically the one who works their ass off gets a lower score.

[binders]

>Atar's post, well Duh!
common sense beaten to the punch yet again by psychology.

[iNerd]

>Atar's post, well Duh!
common sense beaten to the punch yet again by psychology.

I doubt you would have listed anything but 'tired' as an affect - you have to list what I said for any marks in Psych.

Psych is common sense yes...but the marking is insanely pedantic.

[happycat]

>Atar's post, well Duh!
common sense beaten to the punch yet again by psychology.

I doubt you would have listed anything but 'tired' as an affect - you have to list what I said for any marks in Psych.

Psych is common sense yes...but the marking is insanely pedantic.

Agreed

[happycat]

Yeah, i felt like giving up.
But what i felt more was this immense guilt that stayed with me through the whole year. If i didn't do homework for like 1 night i would beat myself up about it.
Now i'm in uni and i've pretty much forgotten 60% of what i learned in year 12 lol.

Yeah that's likely to happen to me, so much is likely to go out the window

[binders]

I doubt you would have listed anything but 'tired' as an affect - you have to list what I said for any marks in Psych.

Psych is common sense yes...but the marking is insanely pedantic.

actually, i would've listed most of those as effects. I've been a shift worker for years and am pretty familiar with the effects
(hallucinations can kick in earlier than 3 days).  It's scary how many shift workers i've met who'll skip sleep between shifts and
still drive around.
but yeah, i +ed you post because it's still a good summary for those doing psych. wasn't taking a swipe at you, but at psych.

[iNerd]

I doubt you would have listed anything but 'tired' as an affect - you have to list what I said for any marks in Psych.

Psych is common sense yes...but the marking is insanely pedantic.

actually, i would've listed most of those as effects. I've been a shift worker for years and am pretty familiar with the effects
(hallucinations can kick in earlier than 3 days).  It's scary how many shift workers i've met who'll skip sleep between shifts and
still drive around.
but yeah, i +ed you post because it's still a good summary for those doing psych. wasn't taking a swipe at you, but at psych.

haha fair enough.

Another bit of psych for you.

Partial sleep deprivation will result in a massive decrease in the ability to perform simple tasks such as simple 100 mathematical grade-5 problems but complex tasks such as driving will not be affected.

[binders]

well til. i would've thought that after more than 30hrs awake, reaction time and general awareness of new stimuli would be slower. that's what i've observed. but i guess it must be down to other factors if complex tasks aren't affected.

[iNerd]

well til. i would've thought that after more than 30hrs awake, reaction time and general awareness of new stimuli would be slower. that's what i've observed. but i guess it must be down to other factors if complex tasks aren't affected.

Reaction time is more associated with alcohol as it slows down the nervous system.

The justification for this is that you summon extra energy/motivation to drive as you know the potentially disastrous consequences (death) where-as you have no motivation at all to do 100 maths problems

[pi]

...where-as you have no motivation at all to do 100 maths problems

No-way! That can't be true...


(or am I just alone in this motivated math-solving group?)

[iNerd]

...where-as you have no motivation at all to do 100 maths problems

No-way! That can't be true...


(or am I just alone in this motivated math-solving group?)

Go sleep-less for 30 hours then come back and do 100 maths problems I PM you which would take the average person around 1-2 minutes (basic maths such as 2 x 7 )

[burbs]

...whereas you have no motivation at all to do 100 maths problems

No-way! That can't be true...


(or am I just alone in this motivated math-solving group?)

Yeah I think his explanation was a little off. It isn't to do with interest, it's to do with the complexity of the tasks. If you were sleepy a hard maths problem would make you think and focus on it, so missing out on some sleep will be made up for by concentration. On the other hand, a series of easy questions may have more mistakes because you aren't focusing on it.