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Re: How did/do you 'play the system'?
« Reply #60 on: April 11, 2011, 10:58:29 pm »
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Yeah, I bet if a student got a C, they'd still get A-A+ as a SAC ranking >;

The unfairness!
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Re: How did/do you 'play the system'?
« Reply #61 on: April 11, 2011, 11:01:13 pm »
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Yeah, I bet if a student got a C, they'd still get A-A+ as a SAC ranking >;

The unfairness!

Isnt that the point of moderation though. Their school hands out C's when in fact in comparison to the state they should be A-A+'s
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Re: How did/do you 'play the system'?
« Reply #62 on: April 11, 2011, 11:04:04 pm »
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Another thing to understand is diminishing returns. Keep in mind that the aggregate runs on a linear scale, while the study scores operate on a normal distribution. The importance of this is that the time spent getting a certain study score increases exponentially as your aim goes higher (since the study scores operate on that sort of scale). For example, getting a 30 isn't particularly difficult, while getting a 40 might take double the time spent, but then furthering this to a 45 might take a four-fold increase. Rather than just getting one subject with a really high mark, you could spend this time elsewhere and get say for example four 40s, rather than one 50 and three 30s. Basically, take-home message is to balance out studying your top four subjects.
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Re: How did/do you 'play the system'?
« Reply #63 on: April 11, 2011, 11:08:17 pm »
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Another thing to understand is diminishing returns. Keep in mind that the aggregate runs on a linear scale, while the study scores operate on a normal distribution. The importance of this is that the time spent getting a certain study score increases exponentially as your aim goes higher (since the study scores operate on that sort of scale). For example, getting a 30 isn't particularly difficult, while getting a 40 might take double the time spent, but then furthering this to a 45 might take a four-fold increase. Rather than just getting one subject with a really high mark, you could spend this time elsewhere and get say for example four 40s, rather than one 50 and three 30s. Basically, take-home message is to balance out studying your top four subjects.

Now that is how you play the game. I always remember my careers coordinator telling us back in year 10 - 'VCE IS A COMPETITION'. 8-)

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Re: How did/do you 'play the system'?
« Reply #64 on: April 11, 2011, 11:16:03 pm »
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Another thing to understand is diminishing returns. Keep in mind that the aggregate runs on a linear scale, while the study scores operate on a normal distribution. The importance of this is that the time spent getting a certain study score increases exponentially as your aim goes higher (since the study scores operate on that sort of scale). For example, getting a 30 isn't particularly difficult, while getting a 40 might take double the time spent, but then furthering this to a 45 might take a four-fold increase. Rather than just getting one subject with a really high mark, you could spend this time elsewhere and get say for example four 40s, rather than one 50 and three 30s. Basically, take-home message is to balance out studying your top four subjects.

Now that is how you play the game. I always remember my careers coordinator telling us back in year 10 - 'VCE IS A COMPETITION'. 8-)
Yeah my teachers are always going on about how VCE is a massive competition, not just within the school, and how we need to remember all those MHS kids who study 6 hours a day and figure out how to compete against them as well :S

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Re: How did/do you 'play the system'?
« Reply #65 on: April 11, 2011, 11:18:02 pm »
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Another thing to understand is diminishing returns. Keep in mind that the aggregate runs on a linear scale, while the study scores operate on a normal distribution. The importance of this is that the time spent getting a certain study score increases exponentially as your aim goes higher (since the study scores operate on that sort of scale). For example, getting a 30 isn't particularly difficult, while getting a 40 might take double the time spent, but then furthering this to a 45 might take a four-fold increase. Rather than just getting one subject with a really high mark, you could spend this time elsewhere and get say for example four 40s, rather than one 50 and three 30s. Basically, take-home message is to balance out studying your top four subjects.

Now that is how you play the game. I always remember my careers coordinator telling us back in year 10 - 'VCE IS A COMPETITION'. 8-)
Yeah my teachers are always going on about how VCE is a massive competition, not just within the school, and how we need to remember all those MHS kids who study 6 hours a day and figure out how to compete against them as well :S

MHS kids don't study 6 hours a day :P

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more like 10
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Re: How did/do you 'play the system'?
« Reply #66 on: April 11, 2011, 11:20:26 pm »
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Sorry taiga, but 10 hours of Facebook doesn't count as 'study'. ;)

On a serious note, I hope you're joking.
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Re: How did/do you 'play the system'?
« Reply #67 on: April 11, 2011, 11:26:15 pm »
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On the topic of MHS,

I was told by a fellow MHSian

Half of MHS are the generic nerds whilst the other half are the "Play hard, study hard" types. Is this true, I wish my parents would accept the latter. It'd show them something!
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Re: How did/do you 'play the system'?
« Reply #68 on: April 11, 2011, 11:31:21 pm »
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And there are those who pull 95+ without doing shit all
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Re: How did/do you 'play the system'?
« Reply #69 on: April 11, 2011, 11:34:56 pm »
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On the topic of MHS,

I was told by a fellow MHSian

Half of MHS are the generic nerds whilst the other half are the "Play hard, study hard" types. Is this true, I wish my parents would accept the latter. It'd show them something!

More or less, yes.
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Re: How did/do you 'play the system'?
« Reply #70 on: April 12, 2011, 12:41:33 am »
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On the topic of MHS,

I was told by a fellow MHSian

Half of MHS are the generic nerds whilst the other half are the "Play hard, study hard" types. Is this true, I wish my parents would accept the latter. It'd show them something!

Pretty much true.

But like, there's plenty of people in MHS who get 70's and 80's, it's not a guaranteed 90+ ATAR.
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Re: How did/do you 'play the system'?
« Reply #71 on: April 12, 2011, 12:49:39 am »
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On the topic of MHS,

I was told by a fellow MHSian

Half of MHS are the generic nerds whilst the other half are the "Play hard, study hard" types. Is this true, I wish my parents would accept the latter. It'd show them something!

Pretty much true.

But like, there's plenty of people in MHS who get 70's and 80's, it's not a guaranteed 90+ ATAR.

I assume they are shunned for getting a crappy score?
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Re: How did/do you 'play the system'?
« Reply #72 on: April 12, 2011, 12:57:10 am »
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There aren't "plenty", but there are a few, but they aren't shunned as such. They're often good at something else (some are going to USA for basketball scholarships / Harvard for Rowing etc.).

MHS is somewhat competitive, but really it is more prevalent when you're in the group of nerdy kids at the top who are overly competitive
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Re: How did/do you 'play the system'?
« Reply #73 on: April 12, 2011, 01:45:23 am »
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Did both IT subjects. Should have done BM while I was at it...

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Re: How did/do you 'play the system'?
« Reply #74 on: April 12, 2011, 09:09:53 am »
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OK so I've heard a few people talk about 'playing the system' in VCE. How did you do this and what does it actually entail? Of course 'VCE success' doesn't require you to play the system, it requires hard work and persistance. But, I was just curious as to how some of you did this alongside hard work? Cheers.


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