How did/do you 'play the system'?

[Zien]

Going off topic here but since it was brought up: The cutoff for Undergrad Medicine at Monash is 95.00. Anything below, you won't even be recognised even if you have top UMAT and interview scores (unless you are part of SEAS or have extremely exceptional circumstances). That said, the median ATAR of entry last year was 99.40. Although you can still get in with semi-high 90s (e.g. 95-98), the people who did get in with those scores must have had brilliant UMAT and interview scores to have been given that opportunity. Even then, it's still a bit uncertain whether they would be offered a place or not. So yes, a high ATAR still does matter if you want to have a very good chance of getting in.

Edit: Apparently I'm eligible to apply for Non-English speaking background as part of SEAS. Considering I moved to England when I was 6, 'that' would be playing the system. These kinds of schemes are always a bit controversial. I still consider half the people doing Chinese SL to be 'playing the system'.'

[ShortBlackChick]

Why is everything based on technicalities? stfu all!
If you want technicalities, then how about scaling CAN make the difference between a person getting into Med or not. OBVIOUSLY there are other factors too, that affect your ATAR.
How about, applying for SEAS, whether or not legitimately, will affect the outcome of yout ATAR, and is therefore manipulating the system.
Heres another technicality, how about classifying rocking up to school every day a manipulation of your ATAR and hence your freaken life!
Hows that for playing the system??
In conclusion, calm down guys!

[iNerd]

^

Have you studied Language Analysis yet?

Words have connotations and 'mainpulation' accompanied by 'SEAS' in the sentence has a heavily implied negative connotation...

[werdna]

Why is everything based on technicalities? stfu all!
If you want technicalities, then how about scaling CAN make the difference between a person getting into Med or not. OBVIOUSLY there are other factors too, that affect your ATAR.
How about, applying for SEAS, whether or not legitimately, will affect the outcome of yout ATAR, and is therefore manipulating the system.
Heres another technicality, how about classifying rocking up to school every day a manipulation of your ATAR and hence your freaken life!
Hows that for playing the system??
In conclusion, calm down guys!

Wow. I'll give you another technicality:

You rule.

Not.

[SDPHD]

SEAS is only given for legitimate disadvantages.

If, however, one gains SEAS status under false pretense, then yes, they are playing the system.

Nuff said.

[taiga]

I won't name him, but an acquaintance of mine had her mother quit her low paying job for a while, then managed to get youth allowance, which tipped his family into one of the Monash Disadvantage groups, and got himself a Merit Scholarship. Mind you to get a scholarship in his course would have required an ATAR not much lower than 99.80, which he was well below.

I have a few qualms with the Merit scholarship, quite a lot of people get in on complete bullshit claims. Most notoriously, my mate went to a private school for 9 years, lives in a Mansion in the expensive part of our suburb (houses 800K+), parents earn a lot by running a restaurant and some other business, yet somehow managed to get offered one of the scholarships by being "disadvantaged". That said I gave him so much shit for being a terrible bloke, and I like to think this is the reason he didn't accept it

[taiga]

Oh and if you're a complete nolife with no friends, move to your nearest local underrepresented school a few months before exams.

[werdna]

Oh and if you're a complete nolife with no friends, move to your nearest local underrepresented school a few months before exams.

Does SEAS for under-represented schools make that much a difference/impact? :S

[SDPHD]

Oh and if you're a complete nolife with no friends, move to your nearest local underrepresented school a few months before exams.

Unfortunately our school has quite a long waiting list, best bet would have been to get in at Year 7.  :angel:

[m@tty]

Oh and if you're a complete nolife with no friends, move to your nearest local underrepresented school a few months before exams.

Does SEAS for under-represented schools make that much a difference/impact? :S

I don't think so.. though if it's between you and someone who doesn't have any SEAS (same score which is below clearly in etc.) it would be a good thing to have.

[werdna]

Oh and if you're a complete nolife with no friends, move to your nearest local underrepresented school a few months before exams.

Unfortunately our school has quite a long waiting list, best bet would have been to get in at Year 7.  :angel:

Hahaha the irony.

[jane1234]

I won't name him, but an acquaintance of mine had her mother quit her low paying job for a while, then managed to get youth allowance, which tipped his family into one of the Monash Disadvantage groups, and got himself a Merit Scholarship. Mind you to get a scholarship in his course would have required an ATAR not much lower than 99.80, which he was well below.

I have a few qualms with the Merit scholarship, quite a lot of people get in on complete bullshit claims. Most notoriously, my mate went to a private school for 9 years, lives in a Mansion in the expensive part of our suburb (houses 800K+), parents earn a lot by running a restaurant and some other business, yet somehow managed to get offered one of the scholarships by being "disadvantaged". That said I gave him so much shit for being a terrible bloke, and I like to think this is the reason he didn't accept it

Yeah I know someone who claimed to be aboriginal to gain SEAS or something... though he only had some very very distant relative that was actually aboriginal...

[werdna]

If you have an permanent, serious medical condition, but it does not affect your learning or study, is it possible to get SEAS?

I think you just answered your own question.

[ShortBlackChick]

LOL im well aware of what a connotation is, but again, here we are getting into technicalities! Why does whether or not i think  SEAS it right or wrong, have to do with what im trying to say! And just for the record, i didnt mean it negatively or positively, but rather as a statement of what i think it truly is!
LOL taiga, thats quite a stupid idea
and anyways, if you were that desperate, why would your amount of friends impact whether you move to better your ATAR.

[SDPHD]

If you have an permanent, serious medical condition, but it does not affect your learning or study, is it possible to get SEAS?

Nope, has to affect your learning or study. Need a doctors report too.

Also, I can't think of a permanent, serious medical condition that wouldn't affect your learning or study (i.e. time taken off for treatment, pain endured while trying to study etc)