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Re: How did/do you 'play the system'?
« Reply #120 on: April 12, 2011, 07:44:56 pm »
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If you have an permanent, serious medical condition, but it does not affect your learning or study, is it possible to get SEAS?

Nope, has to affect your learning or study. Need a doctors report too.

Also, I can't think of a permanent, serious medical condition that wouldn't affect your learning or study (i.e. time taken off for treatment, pain endured while trying to study etc)

My friend has a medical condition which means that she overheats and can't cool down, and occasionally that means she has to leave class and (on really bad days) go home. Would that be enough to be considered for SEAS?

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Re: How did/do you 'play the system'?
« Reply #121 on: April 12, 2011, 07:46:07 pm »
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If you have an permanent, serious medical condition, but it does not affect your learning or study, is it possible to get SEAS?

Nope, has to affect your learning or study. Need a doctors report too.

Also, I can't think of a permanent, serious medical condition that wouldn't affect your learning or study (i.e. time taken off for treatment, pain endured while trying to study etc)

My friend has a medical condition which means that she overheats and can't cool down, and occasionally that means she has to leave class and (on really bad days) go home. Would that be enough to be considered for SEAS?

I reckon, or at least a derived score if that happens in exams
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Re: How did/do you 'play the system'?
« Reply #122 on: April 12, 2011, 07:48:42 pm »
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My friend has a medical condition which means that she overheats and can't cool down, and occasionally that means she has to leave class and (on really bad days) go home. Would that be enough to be considered for SEAS?

Most probably.

As you said, it happens to her during class, could possibly happen while she's at home doing homework, trying to study, could happen during SAC's, exams etc so it could have quite a significant impact on her education.
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Re: How did/do you 'play the system'?
« Reply #123 on: April 12, 2011, 07:49:13 pm »
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yeh, just prove that it affects her learning etc

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Re: How did/do you 'play the system'?
« Reply #124 on: April 12, 2011, 08:30:13 pm »
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If you have an permanent, serious medical condition, but it does not affect your learning or study, is it possible to get SEAS?

Nope, has to affect your learning or study. Need a doctors report too.

Also, I can't think of a permanent, serious medical condition that wouldn't affect your learning or study (i.e. time taken off for treatment, pain endured while trying to study etc)

I have a very serious life threatening condition that does not affect my learning, though occasionally time is taken off.
My mum is a GP... soo???
Stop bullshiting. I've known you for 3 years and you're perfectly healthy >.>

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Re: How did/do you 'play the system'?
« Reply #125 on: April 12, 2011, 08:43:01 pm »
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If you have an permanent, serious medical condition, but it does not affect your learning or study, is it possible to get SEAS?

Nope, has to affect your learning or study. Need a doctors report too.

Also, I can't think of a permanent, serious medical condition that wouldn't affect your learning or study (i.e. time taken off for treatment, pain endured while trying to study etc)

I have a very serious life threatening condition that does not affect my learning, though occasionally time is taken off.
My mum is a GP... soo???

Take into consideration whether or not you actually need SEAS as well, don't just apply because you are eligible.
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Re: How did/do you 'play the system'?
« Reply #126 on: April 12, 2011, 08:45:29 pm »
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If you have an permanent, serious medical condition, but it does not affect your learning or study, is it possible to get SEAS?

Nope, has to affect your learning or study. Need a doctors report too.

Also, I can't think of a permanent, serious medical condition that wouldn't affect your learning or study (i.e. time taken off for treatment, pain endured while trying to study etc)

I have a very serious life threatening condition that does not affect my learning, though occasionally time is taken off.
My mum is a GP... soo???

Take into consideration whether or not you actually need SEAS as well, don't just apply because you are eligible.

Are you serious??
If your eligible apply. Answering a few questions and submitting forms could mean the difference between getting in or not. Apply if you can
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Re: How did/do you 'play the system'?
« Reply #127 on: April 12, 2011, 08:53:49 pm »
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Well in your honest opinion, has your illness/condition adversely affected your academic performance directly?

I know this sounds crude, but do whatever you can to get that SEAS application under your belt.

If you submit an application, but it is rejected, are there negative consequences? Just after hearing some of the stories in this thread, mine is more serious than those and those got accepted, and also , what exactly does SEAS achieve? actually alter ATAR? or just give to Unis?

Since you're going for Med I would imagine it'd be different to everyone else.

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Re: How did/do you 'play the system'?
« Reply #128 on: April 12, 2011, 09:00:39 pm »
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I won't name him, but an acquaintance of mine had her mother quit her low paying job for a while, then managed to get youth allowance, which tipped his family into one of the Monash Disadvantage groups, and got himself a Merit Scholarship. Mind you to get a scholarship in his course would have required an ATAR not much lower than 99.80, which he was well below.

I have a few qualms with the Merit scholarship, quite a lot of people get in on complete bullshit claims. Most notoriously, my mate went to a private school for 9 years, lives in a Mansion in the expensive part of our suburb (houses 800K+), parents earn a lot by running a restaurant and some other business, yet somehow managed to get offered one of the scholarships by being "disadvantaged". That said I gave him so much shit for being a terrible bloke, and I like to think this is the reason he didn't accept it :P
Yeah I know someone who claimed to be aboriginal to gain SEAS or something... though he only had some very very distant relative that was actually aboriginal...
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Re: How did/do you 'play the system'?
« Reply #129 on: April 12, 2011, 09:28:11 pm »
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Haha dammit, I was just about to post that

With respect to medical conditions and SEAS, you should apply (don't have your mother write the letter though, get an independent GP to do it). I can't think of any chronic conditions that wouldn't impact study but still give you a bonus though. I got SEAS for my condition, but it was obviously impacting/I was diagnosed in year 12 so I missed school.

They don't alter your ATAR, they just pass your impact statement to the uni to consider alongside your marks; If you get 70 and your course need 98 then no chance.

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Re: How did/do you 'play the system'?
« Reply #130 on: April 12, 2011, 09:31:06 pm »
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OK so if I apply under under-represented schools, hypothetically, what would be the absolute minimum ATAR I get if the course requires a 98? Ie. would the SEAS application generally allow a 97 or somewhere around there?

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Re: How did/do you 'play the system'?
« Reply #131 on: April 12, 2011, 09:34:54 pm »
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OK so if I apply under under-represented schools, hypothetically, what would be the absolute minimum ATAR I get if the course requires a 98? Ie. would the SEAS application generally allow a 97 or somewhere around there?
It also depends on the demand for the particular course. If they have space for a few more students, they might take in people who have SEAS applications.
The under-represented schools category is a bit weird sometimes. I've had friends that got in with ATARS way below (80s instead of 90), and others that missed out even though they were fairly close to the cut-off.

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Re: How did/do you 'play the system'?
« Reply #132 on: April 12, 2011, 09:35:18 pm »
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OK so if I apply under under-represented schools, hypothetically, what would be the absolute minimum ATAR I get if the course requires a 98? Ie. would the SEAS application generally allow a 97 or somewhere around there?

This can't be answered, it depends entirely on what the university thinks of your circumstances. It could be 97.95 or it could be 90

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Re: How did/do you 'play the system'?
« Reply #133 on: April 12, 2011, 09:35:49 pm »
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Haha dammit, I was just about to post that

With respect to medical conditions and SEAS, you should apply (don't have your mother write the letter though, get an independent GP to do it). I can't think of any chronic conditions that wouldn't impact study but still give you a bonus though. I got SEAS for my condition, but it was obviously impacting/I was diagnosed in year 12 so I missed school.

They don't alter your ATAR, they just pass your impact statement to the uni to consider alongside your marks; If you get 70 and your course need 98 then no chance.
Thanks Russ that clears things up, i'll definately follow it up.

Does SEAS have to be done in yr 11 or 12 (if starting a 3/4 in yr 11?)

It concerns entering University, and doesn't affect specific study scores, so you'll apply next year.
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Re: How did/do you 'play the system'?
« Reply #134 on: April 12, 2011, 09:36:30 pm »
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Although it only works for SEAS financial disadvantage and/or rural areas in this example, an ATAR of 88 with a SEAS of one of those 2 categories would guarantee a place in Biomedicine at UoM. Should give you a rough idea at how influential SEAS can be.
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