Honestly how hard is it to get a 45+?

[luken93]

Might be going off on a little tangent here, but I personally don't see what the hype over MacRob is about (and Melbourne High). Maybe it was made as a joke, but to say that you won't have a chance because MacRob doesn't offer the subject.. = =''

Haha yeah, it's just that MacRob is the highest achieving score we have "a hope" at doing well, because they are a formidable force in basically every other subject

[akira88]

wat about if you're in a low-achieving school that only gets one, two or sometimes no one over 99. do you have to be ranked first to get over 45 for a subject? 

That really isn't a low-achieving school.... try a school that barely gets people to have atars of over 90, with a cohort that's not even that small.

It would only depend on how big the margin is between Rank1 and 2- if there is a massive difference, then yes it's POSSIBLE it might affect your study score. As m@tty about what unfortunately happened to him

[Zien]

Might be going off on a little tangent here, but I personally don't see what the hype over MacRob is about (and Melbourne High). Maybe it was made as a joke, but to say that you won't have a chance because MacRob doesn't offer the subject.. = =''

It's a bit of a running joke at MHS.

Ah okay.

Might be going off on a little tangent here, but I personally don't see what the hype over MacRob is about (and Melbourne High). Maybe it was made as a joke, but to say that you won't have a chance because MacRob doesn't offer the subject.. = =''

Haha yeah, it's just that MacRob is the highest achieving score we have "a hope" at doing well, because they are a formidable force in basically every other subject

That is true, but I just don't like the hype surrounding MacRob (no offence to any girls from there).

wat about if you're in a low-achieving school that only gets one, two or sometimes no one over 99. do you have to be ranked first to get over 45 for a subject? 

That really isn't a low-achieving school.... try a school that barely gets people to have atars of over 90, with a cohort that's not even that small.

It would only depend on how big the margin is between Rank1 and 2- if there is a massive difference, then yes it's POSSIBLE it might affect your study score. As m@tty about what unfortunately happened to him

It's the rank that matters, not the mark between the first and second rank (although if there is such a difference, it usually indicates that the rank #1 is likely to score the highest on the exam).

[EvangelionZeta]

I reckon generally what you are saying is true - people make their own destiny and study score - but you sort of only have to look at some VNers to see how "luck" can play its role. For example, EZ received 45 in English when we all rate him extremely highly and I'm sure he put in a lot of work - and quality work.  I consider myself fortunate to have had a great exam day for English - I came out of that exam knowing that I did really well. Conversely, I was disappointed with PE and think I deserved more - either my own failure with exam-pressure or poor marking / etc.

Awww shucks.  You deserved your score though - judging from our joint seminar, you know your stuff!

Anyway, just generally speaking, I would definitely say that anything 45+ (or even in the 40s+) is dependent to some extent on luck.  There are kids I know who got 50s in their subjects who would profess themselves to being vastly inferior skill-wise to those who got 41/42 or so - unfortunately, the exam-based nature of the system just results in situations such as this. 

With that said, I'm inclined to agree with Burbs in saying that usually performance-enhancing good luck is rare - it's more often the case that the top students will be brought down by their bad luck.

[Menang]

With that said, I'm inclined to agree with Burbs in saying that usually performance-enhancing good luck is rare - it's more often the case that the top students will be brought down by their bad luck.

That ^

[funkyducky]

Do you have to be rank1 for sacs (coupled with a high exam score) in a particular subject in order to get 45+?? or do those at rank2 or rank3 still have a chance of pulling off a 45+??

This depends on the strength of your cohort, at my school more than 10 kids who had 45+ in methods last year, including a 50 and two 49s who weren't within top 3 rank.

[JinXi]

wat about if you're in a low-achieving school that only gets one, two or sometimes no one over 99. do you have to be ranked first to get over 45 for a subject? 

That really isn't a low-achieving school.... try a school that barely gets people to have atars of over 90, with a cohort that's not even that small.

It would only depend on how big the margin is between Rank1 and 2- if there is a massive difference, then yes it's POSSIBLE it might affect your study score. As m@tty about what unfortunately happened to him

Tbh you just need to be ranked 1st in a inferior school to achieve a 45+. IN my school, 99's+ occurs like once in a blue moon ...every year theres under 10 people out of a cohort of around 250 to achieve a 90+.

I've got my 2 45+ from subjects where i was ranked 1st. In spesh, i was ranked 4th/5th out of 30 or so students. I've got my statements of marks back for it and i've got a high A+ for paper 1, and mid-high A+ for paper 2, which only translated to a 40 SS, since my Sac was marked from a A -> B+..... Those guys above me didn't carry and none of them got 40+

But yeah if you achieve rank 1, it's quite doable. Anywhere under rank 1-2 in a lower achieving school makes it alot tougher, almost like an exponential curve to achieve 45+

[JinXi]

Cwell High is one of the better non - selective public schools though...

[flash36]

Though not a useful post, I share your sentiments. Lacking scale up subjects like Spesh etc, and not doing year 12 school subjects last year that played with strengths .. getting a High ENTER is possibly much more difficult >;.

Using my own score as an example, I disagree. I only did five 3/4 subjects and only got 45 or above in two of them, and still got a 97. I assume I'm not the exception.

With regard to getting a 45+ SS, as has been said already, different subjects require more or less work for these scores, simply based on numbers. You're up against 45,000 kids to get above 45 in English as opposed to being against say 12,000 in Business Management. That's why I think English scores above 40 should be scales up.

[Water]

Leaving it mark down is the best way to keep VCE a fairer system.

To those who are humanity based students, they will be rewarded given that they are skilled in the English Language.

With the science/maths kids, well, they already have the major scale up from maths/science areas.

If the English system, is scaled up, it's only going to give an unfair advantage to science/maths kids along with their +5, +7 bonus subjects and put humanities students at a disadvantage in the long run.

In this sense, with the scale up, the VCE will be further dominated by science/maths sector more so than the humanities side. While your at it, if English is Scaled up, Literature should be scaled up further in proportion


PS: Just realized I went off subject, sorry xD I"ll stop here~~~~~

[nacho]

Though not a useful post, I share your sentiments. Lacking scale up subjects like Spesh etc, and not doing year 12 school subjects last year that played with strengths .. getting a High ENTER is possibly much more difficult >;.

Using my own score as an example, I disagree. I only did five 3/4 subjects and only got 45 or above in two of them, and still got a 97. I assume I'm not the exception.

With regard to getting a 45+ SS, as has been said already, different subjects require more or less work for these scores, simply based on numbers. You're up against 45,000 kids to get above 45 in English as opposed to being against say 12,000 in Business Management. That's why I think English scores above 40 should be scales up.

scaling does not directly reflect the difficultyof ths subject (smarter students don't necessarily always pick spesh/methods/latin etc) or the number of the cohort, rather the strength of the cohort. 45K English students means that there are a lot more people who get 45SS (Top 2.5%) in english than they do in busman. It shouldn't be scaled up or down, fine as it is as the cohort isn't brilliant, yet nor is it terrible.
Scaling subjects shouldn't make a difference, its' just whatever suits you.
Some people would find it easy to get 40+ for humanities subjects, whilst impossible for math/sci subjects.
Pretty evident in some of the people's scores lying around here
Seeing that Werdna is a humanities type person, he has picked the best subjects for himself

Edit: Lol didn't see water's post, don't judge me.

[eeps]

@werdna, to be honest I think you could get over 45 for both Legal Studies and English from what I've seen of you on this forum, and talking to you in general. Just to reiterate what others have said, if you consistently put in the work and put in that extra effort, then really anything is possible. It really comes back to the individual, and picking subjects that plays to one's strengths. My thinking is that if you choose subjects which you enjoy doing, you'll be more motivated to study and as a consequence, the better your results will be. Doing subjects like Latin, Specialist Mathematics and so on which scales up a lot, doesn't guarantee an automatic 40+/45+ score, you need to work just as hard - as goes with any other subject.

[andy456]

Though not a useful post, I share your sentiments. Lacking scale up subjects like Spesh etc, and not doing year 12 school subjects last year that played with strengths .. getting a High ENTER is possibly much more difficult >;.

Using my own score as an example, I disagree. I only did five 3/4 subjects and only got 45 or above in two of them, and still got a 97. I assume I'm not the exception.

With regard to getting a 45+ SS, as has been said already, different subjects require more or less work for these scores, simply based on numbers. You're up against 45,000 kids to get above 45 in English as opposed to being against say 12,000 in Business Management. That's why I think English scores above 40 should be scales up.

100% agree, I mean look at my scores I only got 1 above 45 and I got above 97. You don't need to dominate everything to score well

[HERculina]

As m@tty about what unfortunately happened to him

wat happened to him? D:

I've got my 2 45+ from subjects where i was ranked 1st. In spesh, i was ranked 4th/5th out of 30 or so students. I've got my statements of marks back for it and i've got a high A+ for paper 1, and mid-high A+ for paper 2, which only translated to a 40 SS, since my Sac was marked from a A -> B+..... Those guys above me didn't carry and none of them got 40+

But yeah if you achieve rank 1, it's quite doable. Anywhere under rank 1-2 in a lower achieving school makes it alot tougher, almost like an exponential curve to achieve 45+

why is it that you did better in you exams than your sacs?
was your SS brought down because none of the guys who were ranked above you got good in their exam? and because of this you got a bad sac mark? (is this how it works)

[nacho]

As m@tty about what unfortunately happened to him

wat happened to him? D:

I've got my 2 45+ from subjects where i was ranked 1st. In spesh, i was ranked 4th/5th out of 30 or so students. I've got my statements of marks back for it and i've got a high A+ for paper 1, and mid-high A+ for paper 2, which only translated to a 40 SS, since my Sac was marked from a A -> B+..... Those guys above me didn't carry and none of them got 40+

But yeah if you achieve rank 1, it's quite doable. Anywhere under rank 1-2 in a lower achieving school makes it alot tougher, almost like an exponential curve to achieve 45+

why is it that you did better in you exams than your sacs?
was your SS brought down because none of the guys who were ranked above you got good in their exam? and because of this you got a bad sac mark? (is this how it works)

The way it works is that if you are ranked with the third highest average in your SACs, then, irrespective of the grade (could be a D+ or an A+) the third highest exam mark from your school becomes that grade.
This practically means vcaa does not give a shit about what grade your school gives you, as from school to school, SAC difficulty will vary, and some schools will be easy to yield A+ (doable by even below-average students) whilst other schools will have insanely difficult SACs where even good students find it hard to manage anything above an A.
I think with m@tty, he was screwed over by SACs, despite getting scores good enough for 48-50's in the exam