Equal rankings?

[chid]

What happens if two or more people receive the same internal mark?

Say two people are ranked equal first (with nothing separating them in SAC's) how will their SAC score be moderated by the exam?


Thanks. 

[Ken]

the teacher will never rank students equally together so that both students won't be affected. The teacher will probably give an extra mark to the student he/she thinks is better so that if everyone does badly on the exam, both the students wont be affected, only one would.

[Flaming_Arrow]

but just say if its like a math sac. and 2 students get the same mark, the teacher cant give extra marks to one student?

[Ken]

it's only when all the sacs are done and recorded. it's not for individual sacs but rather the whole.

[Ahmad]

Teachers often make the rankings distinct - this will benefit one student. If I recall correctly, two students with equal ranking both receive the lower exam mark as their moderated SAC mark.

[/0]

So if you are ranked first is there a lot of pressure on you to do well on the exam? i.e. if you stuff up does your whole cohort suffer?

[chid]

Teachers often make the rankings distinct - this will benefit one student. If I recall correctly, two students with equal ranking both receive the lower exam mark as their moderated SAC mark.

So if one of the students in question recieves full marks on his/her exam and the other recieves 90%, then the 90% exam score will be used to moderate their ranking? That does seem a little strange.

But now I think about it, if only the top exam mark was used to moderate the equal first ranking then teachers could just give every student the same internal mark.   

In a subject like English (with a large cohort) it would be quite common for students to have the same internal ranking. Do you think it's common for 'distinct ranknigs' to be made here?

Thanks again.

[Mao]

So if you are ranked first is there a lot of pressure on you to do well on the exam? i.e. if you stuff up does your whole cohort suffer?

your stuff-up will mean the next person will suffer, but not so much the cohort


as for the equal ranking, they take the average rather than the lower score. This is a direct disincentive for ANY teachers in ANY subjects to give equal rankings, as the higher achieving student will be disadvantaged.
your teachers will most likely use other things such as tests, practice exams and other work to use as an indication so separate similar performing students in case of the same ranking.

[*Roxxii*]

your stuff-up will mean the next person will suffer, but not so much the cohort

as for the equal ranking, they take the average rather than the lower score. This is a direct disincentive for ANY teachers in ANY subjects to give equal rankings, as the higher achieving student will be disadvantaged.
your teachers will most likely use other things such as tests, practice exams and other work to use as an indication so separate similar performing students in case of the same ranking.

Hmm, do you think all teachers know that vcaa will use the average?
My school is a bit *cough* not so well informed, and teachers aren't that great...so i'm a bit worried
I'm so scared that my teacher will go, 'wow, these 4 students are all doing quite well, i'll give them ALL the top mark' ...LoL

[Ahmad]

I've been told they use the lower score. Can anyone find a link to it on VCAA.

[Ahmad]

OK, I found it.

Here students B and C are ranked equally after student A who received the highest internal score (ranking) and external score.

"Students b and c have equal coursework scores (79), but student b has a higher external score (70) than student c (67). They receive identical moderated scores (73) and remain equal third in the school's rank order."

So B and C remain equal third, which is the lower of the two rankings.

http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/exams/statisticalmoderation/statmod.html#H2N400056

[Mao]

equal third has the same meaning of equal second =P

but the moderated score take account of the average of the performance of the students, that is, on average, 79 -> 73