VCE Notes official exams Vs VCE Notes Viki

[Daniel08]

You still forget that that's 60,000 inductees alone. You still forget that there's another 60,000 already in the system for one year that could still benefit from such knowledge.

You're asking me to sacrifice a potentially marketing campaign of more than 8 practice exams. If we're going to make an entrance to the practice exam stage, do we want to do it with two exams or with 8? And also, if we take the time to do this properly, we could enter with a chemistry exam (the course changed this year so material is scarce) and possibly more.

Any is better than none. And on the exams specify what ones are to come in 09'.

[enwiabe]

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Firstly, I am releasing the ones Nick is making and Costa has already produced. But, if you'd actually read my replies, you'd see that it's just not going to be in the medium I had originally intended.

And here's where you're being selfish.

No, Viki won't benefit you as you've already been through the system. But there are 60,000 inductees to the VCE system EACH year that could potentially benefit form Viki's knowledge.

So, yeah, 60,000 a year as opposed to the maximum yield of ~15,000 from the exams produced by Nick and Costa.

Could you please tell me how "Choosing the right units + VCAA unit regulations" would help me with my psychology, business, english and history exam?

I think that the exams would be more benefitial.

Could you please clarify how Viki would assist me,

Thank you

See the exact post you quoted. It won't.

[enwiabe]

If we're going to make an entrance to the practice exam stage, do we want to do it with two exams or with 8?

That is completely irrelevant. It's not about the quantity, it's about the quality of the exams and their ability to assist students to achieve.

Yes, speaking of quality wasn't it you that said getting the Psych exam done would be a squeeze? You'll need time to test it on a range of students for ambiguity. 44 Multiple Choice questions are a LOT, and the short answer are always tricky! I know it took me 3 drafts to get my 1 hour methods exam 1 perfect.

[jsimmo]

I think, we should still continue creating the practice exams and internally upload them onto this site (to help benefit the current 2008 students). Once everything is set with Viki, the exams could then be externally marketed to the schools, thus helping with the intake for next year.

[costargh]

If we're going to make an entrance to the practice exam stage, do we want to do it with two exams or with 8?

That is completely irrelevant. It's not about the quantity, it's about the quality of the exams and their ability to assist students to achieve.

Why wouldn't you use two exams as your beta stage of exam release rather than releasing them at first trial next year. You could learn from mistakes made this year and make improvements for next year.
This would make next years exam releases more full proof

[Nick]

If we're going to make an entrance to the practice exam stage, do we want to do it with two exams or with 8?

That is completely irrelevant. It's not about the quantity, it's about the quality of the exams and their ability to assist students to achieve.

Yes, speaking of quality wasn't it you that said getting the Psych exam done would be a squeeze? You'll need time to test it on a range of students for ambiguity. 44 Multiple Choice questions are a LOT, and the short answer are always tricky! I know it took me 3 drafts to get my 1 hour methods exam 1 perfect.

I've already spent numerous hours on the drafting process of the exam. I've drafted and re-drafted time after time.

[enwiabe]

I notice that it's the two exam writers arguing most vehemently for the publication of these exams. That is perfectly understandable. You put ime and effort into this and it would seem a waste to not publicise them. But, I will. If you want to do it this year in 2008, then they will not be e-mailed to schools, as, I don't have this capability. They will be prominently displayed on the site and that is about all I can do.

Or, and this is just an or... you could wait for next year. You could take the time to give the exams the polish they deserve, and we could release them in one massive hit with:

- 2 chem exams (1 for unit 3, 1 for unit 4)
- 1 IT:A exam
- 1 IT:SD exam
- 1 legal exam
- 2 methods exams
- 2 psych exams (1 for unit 3, 1 for unit 4)
- 2 spec exams

And establish ourselves as an exams publishing giant.

But, hey, it's up to you.

[costargh]

What if we (a team) all worked together to create a database of school emails.

That would make the task much easier and would ease the enormity of the task you would otherwise be taking on by yourself

[jsimmo]

You still forget that there's another 60,000 already in the system for one year that could still benefit from such knowledge.

What do you mean?

I doubt that the Viki would truly enhance the performance of this years current VCE students. Whereas, the exams on the other hand can benefit this years students, next years students and in the process help with the development and growth of the website in terms of member numbers.

[doboman]

Hmm, i just cant help but feel annoyed at this whole situation. Daniel claims that his going to produce and exam, but just because he believes that it wont give him the biggest marketing advantage- decides to call it off. I dont care about the exam thing- as there are heaps of past commercial exams out there- but the fact that he just cares about 'ptential users'- just shows that although he insists that he is here just to support the "thousands of VCE students", he is just out to be the best and gain bragging rights. I think it rather unfair. What about the people that are already here Dan? But then again- he has made this site..so meh

[costargh]

rooboy11. The exams will still be released on the site (the ones ready for publication)

Just, the tens of thousands of students out there who don't know about this site won't be aware of their existence

[enwiabe]

Hmm, i just cant help but feel annoyed at this whole situation. Daniel claims that his going to produce and exam, but just because he believes that it wont give him the biggest marketing advantage- decides to call it off. I dont care about the exam thing- as there are heaps of past commercial exams out there- but the fact that he just cares about 'ptential users'- just shows that although he insists that he is here just to support the "thousands of VCE students", he is just out to be the best and gain bragging rights. I think it rather unfair. What about the people that are already here Dan? But then again- he has made this site..so meh

I've said from the start that I'm a capitalist pig trying to make a buck. Hence the ads. BUT, the fact that I can do it whilst helping students is the ideal situation for me.

If you don't see an exam production effort this year as a half-baked rush, then I don't know what is.

Both school holidays and my holidays end in a week. That leaves very little time with which to pour into this project. It's not going to be a professional job. It'll be a rush, and it won't reach as many schools regardless. Costa's idea of scrambling together an e-mail list is great, but we only reach an ACTIVE audience of ~50 schools. So it's unlikely that this will have any great effect.

I would like to do this job right. You're right, there is a selfish money aspect to it, but it's a capitalist world. I'm not going to waste our 'dramatic entrance' into the arena on what I feel is an unfinished job.

[flusher317]

Hey dan,
this is slightly irrelevant, but what is your vision for VCEnotes? How big do you want this site to be? and where are you wanting to take it?
I may have a solution for you for publicity sakes.
Dave

[Daniel08]

Hmm, i just cant help but feel annoyed at this whole situation. Daniel claims that his going to produce and exam, but just because he believes that it wont give him the biggest marketing advantage- decides to call it off. I dont care about the exam thing- as there are heaps of past commercial exams out there- but the fact that he just cares about 'ptential users'- just shows that although he insists that he is here just to support the "thousands of VCE students", he is just out to be the best and gain bragging rights. I think it rather unfair. What about the people that are already here Dan? But then again- he has made this site..so meh

I've said from the start that I'm a capitalist pig trying to make a buck. Hence the ads. BUT, the fact that I can do it whilst helping students is the ideal situation for me.

If you don't see an exam production effort this year as a half-baked rush, then I don't know what is.

Both school holidays and my holidays end in a week. That leaves very little time with which to pour into this project. It's not going to be a professional job. It'll be a rush, and it won't reach as many schools regardless. Costa's idea of scrambling together an e-mail list is great, but we only reach an ACTIVE audience of ~50 schools. So it's unlikely that this will have any great effect.

I would like to do this job right. You're right, there is a selfish money aspect to it, but it's a capitalist world. I'm not going to waste our 'dramatic entrance' into the arena on what I feel is an unfinished job.

Put your members before your own wealth for once.

[costargh]

Our exams aren't rushed. My initial draft sent to you has undergone major changes thanks to feedback from Fyrefly and is still being tinkered with. But its by no means a 'half-baked rush'