Calculation method for derived scores

[makesh]

stuff beyond my control qualified me for a derived score in accounting. I'm a pretty good accounting student and would have loved an A+ but didn't quite make it.

I sit about 4th for my Sacs and nearly 20 out of about 50 people in my class got A+'s

I understand that derived scores are calculated based upon  sacs, gat and indicative grades, just wondering if anyone knows roughly what weighting these receive and if my good Sac position might snag be that A+?

cheers

[Mao]

that will be most likely, yes =]

SACs in correlation with exam scores in cohort is used heavily (esp in your case where the cohort is very strong). GAT is also used to help derive/check, and indicative grades are given the least weightings as these are subjective (from the teachers)

I have heard somewhere that these are done on a case-to-case basis, but in any case, SACs are in your favour (strongly). So long as you didn't completely screw up your GAT, i see very little reasoning into not getting that A+.

[makesh]

thanks mate, i'm feeling a bit better.  how screwed up is a screwed up GAT? on last years i got 35 standardized, i imagine i'll get around that for this years too.  Is that good enough?

[Mao]

thanks mate, i'm feeling a bit better.  how screwed up is a screwed up GAT? on last years i got 35 standardized, i imagine i'll get around that for this years too.  Is that good enough?

screwed up as in, they'd be reluctant to give away an A+ in accounting if you got, say, 25 in numeracy in the GAT. if you can keep ~35, you shouldn't have much trouble at all. if that score can get into 40+, then all the stats in the world would work in your favour =]

[merlin]

Hey, I also applyed for derived score recently for the mid-yr chemistry exam and was approved. I was so out sorts on that day that I could not even do the exam, in statement I got dUg. My Sacs for semester one was 90/100 which is only above average in my school because everyone did well and when it came to exams only 3 pplz got A+ out of 50. So I'm wondering if it's possible for me to achieve ss 40+, assuming I can get an A+ in chem end of yr? In addition my Gat would probaly be not that great considering last yr I only got about a standarised score of 30. 

[costargh]

Can someone please explain to me what they do for derived scores for mid years.

Ok... so firstly do you get a mark for your mid-year (your actual mark with no deriving?)

And then do you get another mark that is your derived mark (which can't be lower than the mark you got on the exam... ie. can only benefit you)

And if so when does this happen?

[merlin]

Ok... so firstly do you get a mark for your mid-year (your actual mark with no deriving?)

And then do you get another mark that is your derived mark (which can't be lower than the mark you got on the exam... ie. can only benefit you)

Yes and Yes. I got a 'd' next to my grades, which stands for derived and as I couldn't complete the exam I got Ug, so on my statement it shows: dUg.         

And if so when does this happen?

And as for your last question, I'm not too sure myself... 

[Mao]

i think derived scores are calculated when your SS is calculated, with respect to your SAC ranking and GAT scores. you will not receive a derived score if you do not appeal (not sure of the process)

I wouldn't put my hopes on 40+ if I were you. [Sorry if this is not what you wanted to hear]
your school's SACs are obviously too easy, and after moderation the median SAC score would be close to the median exam score. Your cohort is fairly large (50 people!), so I'd assume the median will be around the state's median, C+. That places "above average" to ~B. If you receive a B+ from derived exam score, I'd say high 30s if you're going to gun the second exam and climb the rankings.

but don't let that put you off! you can still work towards it. Give it your best shot =]

[merlin]

I certainly hope this is not how vcaa calculates derived scores. I understand how the sacs may be marked down, but I can't understand how this would also mark down my mid-year exam because I shouldn't be expected to do badly in the exam just because my cohort did. I thought it would be primarily dependent on how I go in the end of year exam, as this is the best indication for my results.

Anyway Mao, can you please clear this up for me? cause my teachers have no clue, lol.

[Mao]

it would, but your ranking is a good indication of your ability compared to your cohorts.

derived score is by no mean accurate. it is roughly correct, and you would generally apply for special considerations given the case.

they take in quite a few things:
1) your performance in exams relevant to the study. (however for many subjects this is not possible) e.g. exam 2 for exam 1, SM exam for MM exam, etc.
2) your ranking in your cohort. (the overall SAC ranking is given a fair bit of weighting. if your SACs is in the middle of the cohort, it is logical to say that you would roughly achieve similar results to the majority of your cohort. if your cohort does badly, then you are sandwinched in the middle.)
3) GAT. this also has a heavy weighting. the logical assumption is that your performance in your individual subjects should reflect the results on the GAT. if you do badly on the GAT, they may refuse to give you a derived score [happened to someone at my school last year]
4) indicative grade. this has the least weighting, primarily because of it being subjective from your teacher.
5) other assessed coursework (if statistics doesn't work out nicely)

I think it is done on a case-per-case basis.

[merlin]

Well then in that case I'll still try the best I can. I can always appeal the ss they give me right?

[Mao]

Well then in that case I'll still try the best I can. I can always appeal the ss they give me right?

nope.
when it's released it cannot be changed anymore [unless there was a calculation error, which is very very rare]

[excal]

It has happened, though.

(Well, assessor error moreso than anything)

[Collin Li]

It has happened, though.

(Well, assessor error moreso than anything)

Yeah. I remember when asa.hoshi had his Further Mathematics mark fixed. They obviously don't advertise it, because they don't want hordes of people who think they are better than they actually are (common, according to empirical evidence) to complain to them.

[makesh]

it would, but your ranking is a good indication of your ability compared to your cohorts.

derived score is by no mean accurate. it is roughly correct, and you would generally apply for special considerations given the case.

they take in quite a few things:
1) your performance in exams relevant to the study. (however for many subjects this is not possible) e.g. exam 2 for exam 1, SM exam for MM exam, etc.
2) your ranking in your cohort. (the overall SAC ranking is given a fair bit of weighting. if your SACs is in the middle of the cohort, it is logical to say that you would roughly achieve similar results to the majority of your cohort. if your cohort does badly, then you are sandwinched in the middle.)
3) GAT. this also has a heavy weighting. the logical assumption is that your performance in your individual subjects should reflect the results on the GAT. if you do badly on the GAT, they may refuse to give you a derived score [happened to someone at my school last year]
4) indicative grade. this has the least weighting, primarily because of it being subjective from your teacher.
5) other assessed coursework (if statistics doesn't work out nicely)

I think it is done on a case-per-case basis.

i asked my VCE coordinator about derived scores today, said she it was mainly GAT, just wondering where did you source your info? cheers