About courses' aggregate point..

[hanhanchampion]

Hi guys,
The VTAC guide shows that certain courses give aggregate points to subjects like Spesh or Physics. But how are these aggregate points calculated to obtain the ENTER. What if the ENTER does not qualify the course entry requirements, will the points still be added to the study score?   Or I thought there is only one certain ENTER...

[transgression]

It will not change your Enter, it will give you a boost to get into your desired course, as you have done certain subjects. The uni works these things out, so you don't really have to worry about it.
It would just give you an advantage to get into a course, compared to someone who wants to do the same course but has not done these subjects. 

Correct me if I'm wrong.

[cara.mel]

The aggregate points are used for the middle band stuff.

For most courses with large enrolments:
There is a clearly in ENTER, a certain amount of people get in based on this alone (80% or something)
Then there is a bunch of spots still available where they will consider other things like SEAS, whether you have done certain subjects to make your aggregate higher etc (if you were applying for say commerce they'd prefer applicants that did spec over those that did pure humanities subjects etc). Don't ask me how exactly that works but it is for the middle band.

[AppleXY]

Sorry buddy, but you make no sense.

VTAC uses a special statistical formula to calculate the ENTER from the aggregate. The aggregate is just the sum of all your study scores.

Is that what your asking?

[cara.mel]

I assumed he was talking about stuff like this:

"Prerequisites: Units 3 and 4 – a study score of at least 30 in English (ESL) or 25 in any other English.

Selection mode: CY12: ENTER and two-stage process with a middle-band of approximately 20%. NONY12: Academic record including GPA (see institutional page) and form. See Extra requirements for specifics.

Middle-band: A study score of at least 25 in two of biology, chemistry, geography, mathematical methods (either), physics, psychology or specialist mathematics = an aggregate 2 points higher per study, maximum 4 points. SEAS."

And my response is - don't ask me how exactly they determine what goes on in the middle band

[Mao]

common sense tells me that if you don't reach the clearly in, they add aggregate to yours and rank all the "close but no cigar" applicants, then take in whoever they can [in that mix is also SEAS who would get a certain bonus, etc].

beyond that, why don't you contact monash's selection office to find out?

[xox.happy1.xox]

So even if you were a few points off your required ENTER, would they still accept you, given that you met these requirements?

[vce01]

they would accept you if you were ranked over their final cut off they have for middle band students.
you could meet those requirements and still not get in because there may be people who got a higher initial ENTER, and met the same requirements, resulting in them being ranked higher.
hope that made sense

[AppleXY]

My question is, is the Fringe ENTER the final "be-it-all-end-it-all" ENTER that unis select from?

I'm a SEAS applicant (for 3 categories), will I still be considered for a place at UoM if I get 91? (which is under the fringe ENTER)?

Curious.

[vce01]

isn't the fringe ENTER calculated/determined after they've selected the middle band students for their course? they've got a select number of places to fill, once it's filled up they find out what the last ranked person (in the middle band) offered a place got for their ENTER and publish it as the fringe ENTER.

that's how i think it works anyway, probably wrong but

[cara.mel]

Because I can't find it on VTAC itself:

"The Fringe ENTER is the ENTER at or above which 95% of offers were made. Where the Fringe ENTER is higher than the Clearly-In ENTER, this indicates that 95% of offers were made above the Clearly-In ENTER." - http://www.deakin.edu.au/open/faq.php#f02



"My ENTER falls between the Fringe Rank and Clearly-in Rank when I look at the information for the 2008 selection period. What is a Fringe Rank, and will I get into the course?

The Fringe Rank is the rank above which 95% of the applicants for that course were offered a place. Those applicants with ENTERs that fell between the Clearly-in Rank and the Fringe Rank aren’t selected in rank order. However, it’s important to note that not all applicants falling between the two scores receive an offer - offers are made on an individual basis depending on circumstances (e.g. Consideration of Disadvantage Forms) and Middle-Band criteria." - http://www.latrobe.edu.au/study/cop/faq.html#Fringe

[AppleXY]

oh cool. So I can still be considered.

Thanks alot mel

[hanhanchampion]

Fringe ENTER....   Clearly-in ENTER....
What is shown on the VTAC guide??
My first preference is Aerospace Engineering/Buz Management double required a 93.75 last year...   I'm international....  so what ENTER should I get to be able to get in? lol

[BiG DaN]

Fringe ENTER....   Clearly-in ENTER....
What is shown on the VTAC guide??
My first preference is Aerospace Engineering/Buz Management double required a 93.75 last year...   I'm international....  so what ENTER should I get to be able to get in? lol

just get a 99.95 and ull get it for sure