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derivative question+another problem
« on: December 11, 2008, 12:03:38 am »
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1. Let where and are positive integers with and

a). If and are odd, find the set of values for which

I've gotten this far. I worked out which is (this is correct according to answers)
then i know if and are odd, then that means and must be even numbers. What do i do from here? how do i find the set of values for which .

b). If is odd and is even, find the set of values for which

2. Consider the function with the rule where is a positive even integer.

a) show that , this i have done, just long divide and there's the answer. The next part i don't quite understand.

b) Show that for all x

Much thanks for any help!
« Last Edit: December 11, 2008, 12:18:00 am by TrueTears »
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Re: derivative question
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2008, 12:25:18 am »
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1. Let where and are positive integers with and

a). If and are odd, find the set of values for which

I've gotten this far. I worked out which is (this is correct according to answers)
then i know if and are odd, then that means and must be even numbers. What do i do from here? how do i find the set of values for which .

b). If is odd and is even, find the set of values for which

Any real number to the power of an even number is positive. Therefore the only remaining factor that determines the sign of is

If , then



For the second part:

is even, making the term positive, while is odd.

This means either:

1) and , or

2) and

The domain of (1) can be found by: and

The domain of (2) can be found by: and

However, since and , then:





Therefore, the domain of (1) is just , since , so is redundant.

Similarly, the domain of (2) is just , since , so is redundant.

Hence, the domain is: or

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Re: derivative question+another problem
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2008, 12:39:02 am »
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2. Consider the function with the rule where is a positive even integer.

a) show that , this i have done, just long divide and there's the answer. The next part i don't quite understand.

b) Show that for all x

Much thanks for any help!

If is a positive even integer, then is always positive for any real value of . Additionally, it makes the function even:



Hence, is symmetrical about the y-axis, which means that we only need to observe the behaviour of the function for one side of the y-axis, since everything is a mirror image on the other side. I'll choose the positive side: .

At , .

Then, as , , since decays to zero as approaches infinity. Hence, the function asymptotically approaches 1.



We can prove the monotonicity (always moving in one direction, no turning points) of this function for , which is necessary to show that nothing funny happens in between zero and infinity. However, it should be obvious enough that the decay of the fraction only goes one way, and hence I'll call it a trivial exercise. To do it analytically, find and show that it is either always positive or equal to zero (increasing monotonicity), or always negative or equal to zero (decreasing monotonicity) for .
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Re: derivative question+another problem
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2008, 12:39:54 am »
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By the way, I don't really think any of this stuff will get examined in Methods. These are fun, which is the only reason why I've done these questions.

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Re: derivative question+another problem
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2008, 12:41:37 am »
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By the way, I don't really think any of this stuff will get examined in Methods. These are fun, which is the only reason why I've done these questions.

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Re: derivative question+another problem
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2008, 12:44:33 am »
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Who else misses maths? I honestly feel like doing some of the practice exams I didn't get around to doing.

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Re: derivative question+another problem
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2008, 12:55:50 am »
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Sorry off-topic but Coblin, do you simply type all that working out with LaTeX?
I often try to help but I sometimes get lost in my own typing so I just give up :(

(Eg.\implies \frac{dy}{dx} = 2\left(x+\sqrt{x^2+1}\right)\left(1 + \frac{x}{\sqrt{x^2+1}}\right)

= 2\left(x+\sqrt{x^2+1}\right)\left(\frac{\sqrt{x^2+1} + x}{\sqrt{x^2+1}}\right)


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Re: derivative question+another problem
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2008, 12:59:43 am »
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Yes. I love it. I work in the reply window (not quick reply), and use preview often.

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Re: derivative question+another problem
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2008, 01:01:35 am »
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By the way, I don't really think any of this stuff will get examined in Methods. These are fun, which is the only reason why I've done these questions.

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« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2008, 01:02:08 am »
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Yes. I love it. I work in the reply window (not quick reply), and use preview often.
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Collin, do you use LaTeX for much uni work?
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« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2008, 01:04:56 am »
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No, so thankfully I do not have to know how to typeset properly. LaTeX for writing a line of maths is my only use, which is why I love LaTeX rather than hate it.

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« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2008, 01:10:28 am »
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Just you wait until you write your thesis! It takes a bit to get used to but once you realise that you can just use certain templates, typesetting in LaTeX isn't too bad. It's an extremely useful skill to have though (which is why The LaTeX Companion is on my christmas wishlist).
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Re: derivative question+another problem
« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2008, 08:11:01 am »
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Sorry guys off topic, how do you type the degree symbol on latex? i tired \circ, but it looks like a zero :|
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Re: derivative question+another problem
« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2008, 11:54:32 am »
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Hmm, to the power of 'o' seems to suffice =P Probly a less unorthodox way around it though.
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Re: derivative question+another problem
« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2008, 12:00:58 pm »
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doesn't look too bad (using \circ)