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Collin Li

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« on: October 21, 2007, 02:32:25 am »
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Who are you voting for, and why?

I am undecided (and a swing voter) because I believe there are no real options for this election. The issues have been rather complacent, no fierce campaigning, and Labor has pretty much copied everything the Liberals plan to do.

I oppose repealing the IR reforms, but if Labor shows initiative environmentally or can convince me of economic competence, I would vote them.

By the way, I can't vote :P

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« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2007, 10:01:56 am »
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I'm voting Labor. Why? Because I dislike Liberal policy by principle. Steal from the poor and give to the rich. I don't like it. Labor supports the little guy, Labor pumps more money into education and health. Ruddy boy won't stick his head up Bush's ass. Labor ftw.

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« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2007, 10:28:15 am »
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I'm voting Labor. Why? Because I dislike Liberal policy by principle. Steal from the poor and give to the rich. I don't like it. Labor supports the little guy, Labor pumps more money into education and health. Ruddy boy won't stick his head up Bush's ass. Labor ftw.


"Steal from the poor and give to the rich" is a very uninformed statement. I'd like you to back that up. Labor is the one that "steals from everyone" to support the lazy lower-class.

But yes, I agree that Australia should not mimic the country with the worst foreign policy in the world.

I'd argue that social welfare provides a disincentive for the poor to work themselves out of the lower-class. They quite like living off Centrelink payments. Not to mention (I am in a lower-class family), the welfare system does not promote saving! If you have enough assets, you are not allowed to get payments. They don't even consider your income! Our income is less than 20k a year for the entire family (two kids and two parents) but we have great financial planning inside our family (my mum is fiscally responsible). We don't take any Centrelink payments, and frankly we're quite happy with it.

I agree with the free-market and believe that everyone can work themselves up. Economically conservative (free-market, not socialist, minimal social welfare) policies benefit everyone, even the poor.

I don't think any party is stupid enough to drastically cut spending on education, and I don't believe exorbitant amounts of spending in education is necessary anyway. The system just needs a push by competition. Extra funding will go to waste (sports facilities, drama schools, etc.), if public schools know that kids will continue going to their schools. Remove "zoning" rules, remove information asymmetry (release ALL results and data about schools) and watch kids flock to better schools, then we'll actually see public schools improve (because they finally have an incentive to do so... otherwise they will continue to get students due to stupid rules like "zoning").

Teacher unions need to be broken down. I'm sure we all know we've been through crap and good teachers. The injustice is that crap teachers must be paid equally to the good teachers in public education. How does this encourage greater learning? Labor is the party that will allow teacher unions to gain even more power, and hence lower the standards of the education system even more!

Sure, socialism encourages equal outcomes for all, but they are the equally worst outcomes for all.

However, I don't think Liberal is the correct party to vote to promote free-market libertarianism. The criticisms of the "capitalists" in right-wing economics are not completely unfounded. There will be poverty gaps increasing, and an increase in inequality, but that is due to the unnecessary bureaucracies in place that similarly support special interests. A good example of this is the Republican neo-conservative stance, which is typically considered "right-wing" but is really for big government and socialism within the country, while trying to enforce "free-market" (in the loosest sense of the term) in every other country to reap the benefits of their resources.

I'm also unimpressed by the lack of parties that are providing a strong stance on civil liberties. We know we still live in a primitive society when people are self-righteous enough to believe we should prevent gay couples from marrying. What is their problem?

We need a more radical party (than Liberal) that will make changes to government to play a more minimal role in our lives, and let people decide how to run their own businesses, and more importantly, our lives.

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« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2007, 10:40:54 am »
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You lost me at " " "

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« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2007, 12:19:27 pm »
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liberal for sure - did you guys forget what happened last time labor was in office??......enough said.
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« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2007, 04:11:21 pm »
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Just a reminder: the debate is on 7:30PM ABC tonight!

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« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2007, 04:27:21 pm »
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<3 John

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« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2007, 06:48:51 pm »
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Yup, watching it now.

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« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2007, 07:13:58 pm »
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Labour FTW!  You get my vote labour.

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« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2007, 07:37:00 pm »
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Labour FTW!  You get my vote labour.


i guess we're lucky you're not voting then.

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« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2007, 07:43:08 pm »
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Watch closely guys, any moment now Rudd may rip out some mandarin :!:
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« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2007, 07:49:57 pm »
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Watch closely guys, any moment now Rudd may rip out some mandarin :!:


and do a dance with kerri-anne

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« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2007, 07:51:44 pm »
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ROFL  :)  :D  :P  :lol:
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« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2007, 08:21:56 pm »
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I thought that Rudd was the winner of the debate, but I essentially agree with Howard. John Howard made a poor debating performance, but I do not believe that Rudd stands firmly in particular issues:

i) his tax cuts are a mimic
ii) his exit strategy on the Iraq War involved keeping the navy there, but the navy is the first thing to pull out since it is the most mobile!

Therefore, I think Rudd is too afraid to take a strong stance on fixing our foreign policy (getting us out of Iraq). If he had exploited the weakness of Liberal foreign policy more, that could have definitely swung me to be a Labor supporter, because I do believe that the threat of terrorism increases with the involvement in Iraq, and that the war is unjust.

The important thing that remains is that Howard and his cabinet firmly believe in economic reform (towards a freer market), while Rudd wants to reverse economic reform. John Howard made good economic attacks on Rudd, and Howard is the real optimist in that he believes that Australian individuals will be the best at optimising expenditure priorities, not the government. His 'minimal government' stance outshone his overall poor debate performance, and won my vote (if I had one).

The reversal of the Industrial Relations will shift more power to unions (to bargain) and give government more power to decide how we spend our money. I disagree with this fundamentally.

My undecided stance strongly swings towards Liberal now.

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« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2007, 08:26:24 pm »
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Rudd wants to put more money into education through helping people buy computers and getting internet connection. I seriously can't trust him to handle a country now XD