Goodbye FSN

[costargh]

And by endorsing your staff you are making your members feel inadequate and intimidated.

Yes I dont think that the moderators trueley represent the members at all. I think their is a big status level and ego trip going on on here not including ahmed and applexy.

I just know that not everyone is not happy here with the way things are being run and it is leading to disharmony. I have so far been the only one that has brought it to anyones attention. Odettes means was more passive than mine but I choose to tackle the situation head on ( choosing not to leave now because I dont want to give up on this place).

Yeh i was rushing so i wrote something i didnt really think about.
I wont just stop because so i can spare myself.
If me confronting the mods about this is going to lead to bannage then fine.
I just am asking for a more friendly environment. Less egotisticness. Refer to English 2008
You can not just say I am wrong period enwiabe because you think that. That is your opinion but it is not neccesarily the views of everyone. 2 people gave me postive karma for sticking up to brandan so so far its 2 vs 1

[enwiabe]

Wow, 2 people. That speaks a world of truths about what you're saying. (You know, or not)

I said I endorse my staff. This doesn't mean I endorse them all the time and on every matter. But currently, they've done nothing wrong and have only enriched the community. If at any time, they do legitimately bully you or anyone else, there will be repercussions. But seriously, nothing has transpired. I charge you to give me evidence for your accusations. All you've done is run your mouth, but you have nothing to back it up. The entire FSN database is open. Go find me this bullying and status-level "ego trip" of which you speak.

[Pencil]

Heh, that was a harmless joke. I'm gonna remove him after a day or two, but it gets across my point that I endorse my staff. It's not about maturity, it was just a light-hearted way of telling costargh that I think he's wrong.

See that's the problem. You're admin, you should be neutral, not making 'harmless jokes' at the expense of members

[costargh]

And just because goosefraba doesnt want to be legal mod doesnt automatically enshrine the role to brendan. See theres another thing that gets to me. How can you have such stringement requirements for beign a mod yet brendan DIDNT EVEN DO LEGAL STUDIES yet he is legal mod!


Even now enwiabe, cara.mel, odette, myself, goosefraba have told you their are problems with the mods and you just tell us to show you evidence. We do not just make this syuff up. Maybe you should be reading between the lines a bit more.

[enwiabe]

Lol, an administrator with no sense of humour? Now that's no fun at all. What about the prank on Odette when she got to 1000 posts and I reset it to 0 for a few minutes? That was harmless fun. :-/ Brendan's going to go back to economics/legal mod at the end of the day and that's all there is to it. It's TEMPORARY. Not lasting. If you want to bear a grudge, go for it. I care not. And Odette, general moderator is still waiting for you if you come back and maintain your old level of posting. I don't bear a grudge against you, you had every right to leave and I urge costargh to do the same if he detests my leadership so.

I refuse to make myself accountable for something that clearly does not warrant my responsibility.

[enwiabe]

And just because goosefraba doesnt want to be legal mod doesnt automatically enshrine the role to brendan. See theres another thing that gets to me. How can you have such stringement requirements for beign a mod yet brendan DIDNT EVEN DO LEGAL STUDIES yet he is legal mod!


Even now enwiabe, cara.mel, odette, myself, goosefraba have told you their are problems with the mods and you just tell us to show you evidence. We do not just make this syuff up. Maybe you should be reading between the lines a bit more.

Read between the lines?

Lawyer: "Okay, so we don't have any actual evidence that he committed the murder. BUT, we have 4 people united under the belief that Mr. Parsons killed Margaret Pennyapple to testify that Mr. Parsons is guilty. It's not like they'd just make this stuff up! Read between the lines a little."

You see the gross fallacy here? Provide evidence, or you're just looking like an idiot. I can go 1000 rounds of this, and at this rate, it's looking like I'm going to be 'winning' every one. Although I feel like I'm losing insofar as I'm lowering myself to this level.

[joshuamorgan]

brendan hasn't abused any of his moderator privileges whilst making that statement either (i.e. he didn't silence you, etc. - he simply posted like an ordinary user). Ultimately, you should hold brendan accountable rather than the entire Free Study Notes.

I think it's unfair that you blame the entire culture of the site on a beef you have with one of the users.

[costargh]

I do not detest your leadership. On many occasions I have said that this site is going great and I commend you for that. However we are being realistic and realising that there are faults at the moment. Whether you decide to open your eyes and see them is up to you but I sure am seeing them.
I am happy for brendan to be temp moderator for legal as long as he is not giving false advice to 08's as he was to 07 students ( false advice meaning outside the study design or even AGAINST the study design in some instances).

I do like the idea of brendan being political moderator cause he excels with respect to politics and arguments.
BA22 would be a  role model moderator if he was to become one. At the moment imo the most representative, unbiased, and thoughtful moderator is admad and I think that other moderators should aspire to follow his lead as he promotes harmony, equality and respect whilst upholding humour. This is all from my observations during the past few months. Do not ask me to find evidence for you because I kindly decline

[enwiabe]

You see, your refusal to provide any sort of evidence of brendan's poor moderating just tells everyone who reads this thread that you have nothing to back yourself up on. All you're doing - ALL YOU ARE DOING - is taking out your personal grudge on brendan on me, slamming the way I run things.

You are a coward for this action, and your post is foolish.

[costargh]

So you accuse me of hypocricy and then when you tell me to give evidence when brendan did not and would not to back up his "section 2 will seperate those who can bullshit and those who cant" you said "My boyyyyyyyyyy Brendog wins"

You see the "fallacy's" in your argument?

Ultimatlely I have said that this site is good. There are problems however and I just want a change in this all mods stick up for eachother attitude.

[enwiabe]

What evidence could he possibly bring? That was purely speculative. It's a NEW study design. Instead of providing evidence, yes, he could have elaborated more on his argument and substantiated it with a qualification and reasoning behind his comments. But ultimately, you chose to attack him and not his message, and he responded to that - and rightly so.

[costargh]

Look we can go around in circles but your missing the point. Will you recognise that at least 4-5 people tonight have said there are currently problems with this site and the way its being run in one way or another?
If not then you havent been listening to your members

[enwiabe]

4-5 out of 250? Big majority you have there. I've torn your arguments to shreds. Your only remaining argument is 4-5 people back you up. Well, I'm sorry, but strength in numbers does not equal correctness. As brendan would point out to you with a helpful link, that's just a clear logical fallacy.

Your only problem is with brendan (and you have alluded to having problems with coblin). Except, if you look at a 'most helpful poster' poll run by Odette, coblin was the CLEAR winner. People love coblin so your point is moot there.

That only leaves brendan. ONLY brendan, and a passing jab at my maturity. Wow, your argument just stands up mightily!

I have been listening to my members, and I have listened to you. Except your arguments are ludicrous.

[brendan]

As brendan would point out to you with a helpful link, that's just a clear logical fallacy.

coming right up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

[enwiabe]

Thanks, brendan.