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Re: How much will full fee med at melb cost?
« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2008, 09:25:14 pm »
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is it fair that a person with a 99.XX misses out on medicine, because he/she are unable to pay of the MASSIVE fee for medicine?

Is it fair that a person misses out on a ferrari because they are unable to pay 200k+?

We offer people a better chance to med than any other country in the world i would argue

I am not so sure about that given the very high ENTER scores required due to restriction on the number of medical places that universities can offer due to government quotas.

Brenden, me and you both know- although you'll fight that it is concerning the same aspect, that these two situations are completely different. Think of it this way, how would you feel, if you got a 99.25- but because you couldnt afford to pay your way through UNI, you cant get into your life long dream of MED. While on the other hand, a person who achieves a 94.25 (although still a good score) gets in, just because his dad owns a big company and can pay off his debt easily.

But ofcourse, i know that you wont acknowledge it, so no use trying with you.
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Re: How much will full fee med at melb cost?
« Reply #16 on: December 17, 2008, 09:26:38 pm »
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Oh ohk thanks guys. So does anybody know anyone doing full-fee med? I dont come from a wealthy family so i couldnt pay for it like that, and part time job though uni i am certain would not be enough! So is this really an option for me?


Probably not. Congrats on your score, but no, i dont think it's wise to be $250 000 in debt by the time you finish UNI.

This is what's wrong with the stupid Australian higher education system. The wealthy are allowed to enter Medical schools such as BOND UNI- with a significantly lower ENTER- just because they're 'rich'. Does being rich make you anymore competent at being a doctor/dentist? Further, is it fair that a person with a 99.XX misses out on medicine, because he/she are unable to pay of the MASSIVE fee for medicine?

I guess it's expected- given that Education is like the second biggest revenue maker in Australia.

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It costs alot to run a medical course and in the US, a USD$250,000 debt to a non-government third-party is pretty much standard

We offer people a better chance to med than any other country in the world i would argue

Question is still there to. Why are rich people, who can afford full-fee, allowed to get into med with a lower ENTER, while those who get 99.XX cant?

Because universities are ultimately businesses, thay have bills and staff to pay, research money to lobby for, it's not like full fee kids get in with scores like 7x.xx or anything like that, you'll find the competition is so strong there are some kids with scores in the top 1% of the state who still only get offered full fee spots in graduate med courses. Besides there are so many sets of criteria, you can't simple use ENTER to decide if an applicant is better than another

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Re: How much will full fee med at melb cost?
« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2008, 09:27:26 pm »
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Oh ohk thanks guys. So does anybody know anyone doing full-fee med? I dont come from a wealthy family so i couldnt pay for it like that, and part time job though uni i am certain would not be enough! So is this really an option for me?


Try out for CSP med at the end of your biomedicine this means doing the GAMSAT and weathering the competition. You can use the "full fee" as a safety net incase u dont do well in that. Unfortunately us non 99.XXers dont have a safety net.

I dunno this is just my guess...

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Re: How much will full fee med at melb cost?
« Reply #18 on: December 17, 2008, 09:28:21 pm »
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Oh ohk thanks guys. So does anybody know anyone doing full-fee med? I dont come from a wealthy family so i couldnt pay for it like that, and part time job though uni i am certain would not be enough! So is this really an option for me?


Probably not. Congrats on your score, but no, i dont think it's wise to be $250 000 in debt by the time you finish UNI.

This is what's wrong with the stupid Australian higher education system. The wealthy are allowed to enter Medical schools such as BOND UNI- with a significantly lower ENTER- just because they're 'rich'. Does being rich make you anymore competent at being a doctor/dentist? Further, is it fair that a person with a 99.XX misses out on medicine, because he/she are unable to pay of the MASSIVE fee for medicine?

I guess it's expected- given that Education is like the second biggest revenue maker in Australia.

/rant.

It costs alot to run a medical course and in the US, a USD$250,000 debt to a non-government third-party is pretty much standard

We offer people a better chance to med than any other country in the world i would argue

Question is still there to. Why are rich people, who can afford full-fee, allowed to get into med with a lower ENTER, while those who get 99.XX cant?

Because universities are ultimately businesses, thay have bills and staff to pay, research money to lobby for, it's not like full fee kids get in with scores like 7x.xx or anything like that, you'll find the competition is so strong there are some kids with scores in the top 1% of the state who still only get offered full fee spots in graduate med courses. Besides there are so many sets of criteria, you can't simple use ENTER to decide if an applicant is better than another


So they use money instead. very nice.
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Re: How much will full fee med at melb cost?
« Reply #19 on: December 17, 2008, 09:28:42 pm »
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Also, there is a more insidious aspect of rich people in med courses involving people who take CSP bonded spots, intending to "buy out" the spot so they don't have to fulfill their post-graduate working obligations

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« Reply #20 on: December 17, 2008, 09:29:45 pm »
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these two situations are completely different. Think of it this way, how would you feel, if you got a 99.25- but because you couldnt afford to pay your way through UNI, you cant get into your life long dream of MED. While on the other hand, a person who achieves a 94.25 (although still a good score) gets in, just because his dad owns a big company and can pay off his debt easily.

That feeling is called envy.

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« Reply #21 on: December 17, 2008, 09:31:34 pm »
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So they use money instead. very nice.

Come off it, it's not like that at all

Universities need money, as i said, this course is not by any means cheap to run

What should we do about it anyway, money can be used to send a child to a better secondary school, get private tutors, all kinds of advantages that build up to a place in any course

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Re: How much will full fee med at melb cost?
« Reply #22 on: December 17, 2008, 09:32:59 pm »
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is it fair that a person with a 99.XX misses out on medicine, because he/she are unable to pay of the MASSIVE fee for medicine?

Is it fair that a person misses out on a ferrari because they are unable to pay 200k+? It's not like banning Bond Uni from offering full-fee med degrees is going to make any difference to the person who couldn't get a CSP place.

We offer people a better chance to med than any other country in the world i would argue

I am not so sure about that given the very high ENTER scores required due to restriction on the number of medical places that universities can offer due to government quotas.


I agree with BA22, australia offers the best opportunity to do MED. In asian countries (where the population is way bigger and seats are same as in australia) the competition is like a billion times harder.

Atleast australia offers rural and bonded schemes plus flexible post grad options

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Re: How much will full fee med at melb cost?
« Reply #23 on: December 17, 2008, 09:33:31 pm »
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What should we do about it anyway,

I've heard of people saying that parents should effectively be taxed when they spend their own money on their child's education.

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Re: How much will full fee med at melb cost?
« Reply #24 on: December 17, 2008, 09:34:21 pm »
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these two situations are completely different. Think of it this way, how would you feel, if you got a 99.25- but because you couldnt afford to pay your way through UNI, you cant get into your life long dream of MED. While on the other hand, a person who achieves a 94.25 (although still a good score) gets in, just because his dad owns a big company and can pay off his debt easily.

That feeling is called envy.

LOL. Im not even in the running. So no, its not envy. Trust me. But i know nothing can be done about it, and that's fine. I just wanted to say my opinion on the matter (and i am entitled to it). But yes, not envy.

And BA22..I acknowledge it, im just saying it's unfair.
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« Reply #25 on: December 17, 2008, 09:40:01 pm »
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And BA22..I acknowledge it, im just saying it's unfair.

I know, and i used to think the same way too, but pragmatically speaking, full fee students keep my fees lower, so in a way i support them as i couldn't possibly afford to do the course

But i don't like the argument that John get a better ENTER than Jeff so he "deserves" a spot more than John, which is what the whole "unfair" argument is really based on, because it isn't that simple

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Re: How much will full fee med at melb cost?
« Reply #26 on: December 17, 2008, 09:40:53 pm »
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I've heard people saying that i shouldn't do it because i would have a 250,000 debt to pay off. But really, wouldn't it reall be like $160,000 as it is around 40 per year? (grad med at melb is 4 years). I dont really care about the debt after med, as i dont mind not earning much for a while why i pay it back, at least i will be a doctor, but its the GETTING the money for the course. I have to pay upfront at the start of each semester and if fee-help is only aroung 100,000 ive still got a fair bit i would have to come up with during studying. I want to know if anyone thinks this is feasible or knows anyone who has done something similiar. For instance, working through biomed course and saving all money for the last few years of med.
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Re: How much will full fee med at melb cost?
« Reply #27 on: December 17, 2008, 09:42:17 pm »
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And BA22..I acknowledge it, im just saying it's unfair.

I know, and i used to think the same way too, but pragmatically speaking, full fee students keep my fees lower, so in a way i support them as i couldn't possibly afford to do the course

But i don't like the argument that John get a better ENTER than Jeff so he "deserves" a spot more than John, which is what the whole "unfair" argument is really based on, because it isn't that simple

And i definitely dont like the, Jeff has more money than John, so pick him instead.


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Re: How much will full fee med at melb cost?
« Reply #28 on: December 17, 2008, 09:46:34 pm »
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And BA22..I acknowledge it, im just saying it's unfair.

I know, and i used to think the same way too, but pragmatically speaking, full fee students keep my fees lower, so in a way i support them as i couldn't possibly afford to do the course

But i don't like the argument that John get a better ENTER than Jeff so he "deserves" a spot more than John, which is what the whole "unfair" argument is really based on, because it isn't that simple

And i definitely dont like the, Jeff has more money than John, so pick him instead.

There's a few things you don't consider though:
1. Who ever said the highest ENTER made the best doctor? Quite a lot of high scoring students are just made to go into medicine by their parents, whereas many of the ones who 'pay their way in' are actually stretching themselves to do something they genuinely want to do.
2. There are already places allocated to people wanting to enter on merit; if you don't make the cut, bad luck. As people have said, universities need money and without full-fee places, the quality of the course drops for EVERYONE. Well in fact, I think universities simply couldn't survive.

Obviously there's many cases these two points don't cover, and they weren't meant to anyway. Obviously I'm not cold hearted and am blatantly saying it's all ok, but just pointing out that there's really not much we can do about it and it's not necessarily a bad thing either.
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Re: How much will full fee med at melb cost?
« Reply #29 on: December 17, 2008, 09:52:47 pm »
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And BA22..I acknowledge it, im just saying it's unfair.

I know, and i used to think the same way too, but pragmatically speaking, full fee students keep my fees lower, so in a way i support them as i couldn't possibly afford to do the course

But i don't like the argument that John get a better ENTER than Jeff so he "deserves" a spot more than John, which is what the whole "unfair" argument is really based on, because it isn't that simple

And i definitely dont like the, Jeff has more money than John, so pick him instead.




It doesn't work like that

John and Jeff both must first equally miss out an a CSP spot

But Jeff luckily get another shot, and his money helps the uni fund more CSP spots so more johns have the opportunity to study med in an affordable manner