Immigration Restrictions

[costargh]

Its my particular preference as to what I believe is a "good or a bad thing" and I decline to comment
For the same reason that I’d decline to comment if you asked me about what I had for breakfast this morning: I have nothing interesting to say about my particular preferences.

[costargh]

What about the welfare of non-Australians? Why not care about them? Why care only about those who are Australian? Why doesn't the welfare of non-Australians come into the equation?

Because we are more important.

Why?

Simple really. The welfare of my neighbours is more important than the welfare of aliens.

ROFL!!! KARMA COMING UR WAY!!!


>>>>>>>>>>>

[Collin Li]

Then make up your mind, is it a good or a bad thing to allow one person to forcibly shift their cost of living onto another person through government?

I decline to comment.
For the same reason that I’d decline to comment if you asked me about what I had for breakfast this morning: I have nothing interesting to say about my particular preferences.

And this highlights your total misunderstanding of what Brendan was trying to say in the other thread.

Hence, I am actually disgusted at how many people applauded your post (based on Karma).

Here's some thoughts I originally intended to keep to myself:

With a lead in of somethign to do with breakfast? ( i dont really ready ur posts anymore... they are total shit)

I can't believe people have applauded this post (looking at Karma).

If you agree with this guy, then you have been too quick to jump to conclusions, rather than trying to understand what Brendan means to say.

I can only conclude that those who dislike Brendan's posts have either:
i) no attention span to follow an argument, or
ii) have continued to fail to understand his point.

And to those that fail to understand his point and have not questioned him further, but choose to love the potshots at Brendan, I will accuse you of bigotedly following the status quo like it's your sports team. That is all.

[brendan]

Its my particular preference as to what I believe is a "good or a bad thing" and I decline to comment

It has been essential to your argument against the desirability of freedom of immigration.

Why bother stating "Freedom of immigration will always affect Australian taxpayers full stop." if you do not accept that "affecting other Australian taxpayers is a bad thing?

How does "Freedom of immigration will always affect Australian taxpayers full stop" support your contention that freedom of immigration is undesirable?

[bubble sunglasses]

What about the welfare of non-Australians? Why not care about them? Why care only about those who are Australian? Why doesn't the welfare of non-Australians come into the equation?

Because we are more important.

Immigrants with seemingly diffe
Why?

Simple really. The welfare of my neighbours is more important than the welfare of aliens.

Immigrants who appear to have vastly different mores and values could become your neighbours and friends, although not if you have an attitude like that, which borders on trolling

[Collin Li]

Exactly. My Australian "neighbours" are pretty arbitrary.

[costargh]

Just because Brendan makes an argument, doesn't mean that anyone who disagrees with it (say through "applauding karma") has to "not understand it". We understand it perfectly fine. We just think its total shit. Just because you dont think its total shit doesnt mean that we cant think so. His argument last night was PATHETIC in APPLICATION but applaudable in PRINCIPLE. However when people continue to fail to recognise that there are clear distinctions between a utopia and reality, that shits me because people are worth more than a number. These are lives we are dealing with and to say [quote the thread title] "Why the poor don't deserve government life support"  (and no thats not the title of the article) disgusts me and the whole idea of that sickens me and maybe thats why Brendan got so much opposition last night. Because we can put up with oh so much economic rambling and pointless links... but when you talk about morals and what is right and wrong, people stand up and want to be heard because they DISAGGREE.

Im so sick of you saying that everytime people oppose Brendans ideas that we "misunderstand him". We understand him fine. You underestimate the minds of the people on this site. WHY DONT U GET IT THAT WE JUST DONT AGREE WITH HIM.

Its like you will only be happy once eveyrone agrees with him because HE MUST BE RIGHT BECAUSE HE IS BRENDAN and if we dont agree with him we simply MISUNDERSTAND him and we have it out for him
for fucks sake

[mark_alec]

Immigrants who appear to have vastly different mores and values could become your neighbours and friends, although not if you have an attitude like that, which borders on trolling

When did I say anything about stopping immigration? I merely stated that the welfare of those who live in a similar vicinity to me is more important than the welfare of those who are not part of my 'world'.

I am all for helping out those from other countries, as long as 1) it actually helps them 2) it is not to the detriment of Australia.

[Collin Li]

Sorry, your post sounds nice, trying to distinguish between a utopia and a reality, but there is no such thing with cold hard logic and it had very little relevance to the post you dogged out.

Nice bullshit.

The point stands that his personal preferences on that matter had nothing to do with a policy decision that would affect everyone. You clearly didn't catch that one, as you tried to mock him and got back a perfectly clear explanation why your use of it was invalid this time.

[brendan]

The welfare of my neighbours is more important than the welfare of aliens.

But we are talking Australians vs non-Australians. You are asking us to care more about a total stranger in Northern Queensland than a total stranger in Indonesia.

That's not so different from being asked to care more about a person because he is black than because he is white.

[costargh]

I am all for helping out those from other countries, as long as 1) it actually helps them 2) it is not to the detriment of Australia.

This has been my contention all night. And my point is that I believe there will be a point at one stage (without capping immigration) where one of those points will be breached.

[Collin Li]

Also, costargh, it's nice for you to start posting pictures and taking the piss out of the whole issue...

...conveniently ignoring Brendan's highlighting of your inconsistencies?

[brendan]

These are lives we are dealing with

What about the welfare of non-Australians? Why not care about them? Why care only about those who are Australian? Why doesn't the welfare of non-Australians come into the equation?

Because I don't particularly give a shit about them?

It's hard to keep prating about how much you love the poor while insisting that you "don't particularly give a shit" about the poor who don't happen to live in Australia.

[droodles]

brendan the arts guy is so great.

[mark_alec]

But we are talking Australians vs non-Australians. You are asking us to care more about a total stranger in Northern Queensland than a total stranger in Indonesia.

Yes, I am.

That's not so different from being asked to care more about a person because he is black than because he is white.

It is very different, I am basing my criterion for 'care' on the geographic and political borders, not on race.