Principal finds 94 ecstasy tablets in 15-year-old's bag

[costargh]

One rude shock I've got from starting University is the quite apparent hatred of anything other than a scholarly journal to reference in your essays (although I haven't actually written an essay yet).

[hard]

And anyway, who are we to tell people what they can put in their own bodies?

I care about humanity.  I think health is more important than personal choice when it comes to drugs.  

So you care about someone's health so much that you'd rather make a decision for them in relation to their health than let them make the decision about their own body?

Do you realise how stupid that sounds?

I can think of far better reasoning that you could have used than that.

why don't you debate the  point without being patronizing/condescending or damn right insulting? Yes I care about the health of people that much, because drug use not only damages the individual. It damages their family, friends and our tax dollars may help pay for the rehabilitation.

and tax dollar pays for the business class trips of our politicians, and tax payer is used to help all the obese people there are in this world as a result of maccas, and tax payer money is used to treat all these cancers as a result of tobacco...
But you can't debate the point if it makes no sense really. If you saw a junkie smoking weed, would you run up to him and tell them to quite or would you walk past as if you never saw anything? I'd assume the later, so what makes you care so much about my health or the bums health?

[AppleXY]

lol they were going to legalise weed to try bring the economy up

Sauce?
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what?

4chan speak Basically saying "where did you get it"

[suenoga]

The bit about tax payer dollars is a separate issue. Take away the tax payer dollars if you don't agree with that.

I disagree. They are the same issue.  I believe Society has a responsibility to care for those with serious drug addictions, in order to help them return to health. I support tax dollars helping individuals recover.  However, I think society has the right to protect these individuals to prevent them becoming ill in the first place. I don't believe in personal choice  when it comes to actions that harm society and other individuals.

[Flaming_Arrow]

lol they were going to legalise weed to try bring the economy up

Sauce?
(Image removed from quote.)

what?

4chan speak Basically saying "where did you get it"

it was on TV

[costargh]

Wait... you've totally just changed the issue to better serve the argument you're trying to make.

We were talking about 'drug use' and the next thing your saying is "serious drug addictions."

Don't try pull shify's.

[suenoga]

Wait... you've totally just changed the issue to better serve the argument you're trying to make.

We were talking about 'drug use' and the next thing your saying is "serious drug addictions."

Don't try pull shify's.

I wasn't trying to pull a shifty. It pisses me off that you  as a moderator insisted on debating in an aggressive an insulting manner.  I'm not going to argue the point any more. You won't change you opinion, you never do.

[hard]

*Sigh*, you're still not reading my post in context. What a shame...

In regards to that last sentence... I think a lot of people underestimate the potential effects of cannabis as well as the consequences of acquiring schizophrenia (which the research I cited before has "taken into account childhood psychotic symptoms ante­
dating cannabis use." (Arseneault et. al., 2002)).

http://www.thisisjersey.com/2008/02/15/legal-drug-may-cause-mental-health-problems/
but look at that, a legal drug can also cause mental illness like cannabis. You are exclusively talking about cannabis and nothing else. Of course if you researched anything, you'll find that there are negatives associated with it, it's just weed has been portrayed to be such a dangerous substance when really, comparing to many other things we use day to day, it isn't much different.

Aside from saying that the link is not a peer-reviewed journal therefore not valid la di da...

Your post shows why people should actually... read the source they are linking. The article doesn't even say what you claim is being said.  I quote Mike Gafoor from the article.

‘It has been reported to cause hallucinations which can obviously affect people’s behaviour,’ he said.

‘Other drugs that affect perception, such as ecstasy, cannabis and LSD, can cause hallucinations and have been associated with mental health problems and Salvia could be a similar drug that can cause similar problems. We do not know enough about it yet.’

He isn't saying that Salvia causes mental illnesses but that since other drugs that affect perception have been known to be associated with mental illness, it can be hypothesised that Salvia may cause mental health issues as well. NOT that Salvia (your legal drug) causes mental illnesses.

Although most young people use cannabis in adolescence without harm, a vulnerable minority experience harmful outcomes.

yer and i think you should do the same:
However, while you are right that the journal does state that cannabis may cause schizophrenia,  i don't see what the point is there other than it may pose danger to users. But again, so do many of the things you use may result in harmful effects.

[costargh]

Get a grip. "Aggressive and insulting"

Look through your posts in other threads and tell me if this is not hypocrisy at its finest!

[Glockmeister]

One rude shock I've got from starting University is the quite apparent hatred of anything other than a scholarly journal to reference in your essays (although I haven't actually written an essay yet).

A offtopic post but there's a reason for that...

I could easily write crap and get it published in a newspaper. Usually, reporters and journalists in newspapers don't have the sort of technical knowledge to be able to interpret scientific journals correctly (or the more cynical version which is that they are told to make things sound BIG to sell more papers).

[hard]

Wait... you've totally just changed the issue to better serve the argument you're trying to make.

We were talking about 'drug use' and the next thing your saying is "serious drug addictions."

Don't try pull shify's.

I wasn't trying to pull a shifty. It pisses me off that you  as a moderator insisted on debating in an aggressive an insulting manner.  I'm not going to argue the point any more. You won't change you opinion, you never do.

he never insisted on debating in an aggressive and insulting manner. He just stated his opinion, and you have become defensive. btw sometimes it's not about changing opinions, it's also about informing. i may listen to a debate about stem cells and how it does all these great things but my opinion that it shouldn't be done won't change as it contradicts my religious beliefs, however i will gain a more broader knowledge on the issue.  

[Glockmeister]

*Sigh*, you're still not reading my post in context. What a shame...

In regards to that last sentence... I think a lot of people underestimate the potential effects of cannabis as well as the consequences of acquiring schizophrenia (which the research I cited before has "taken into account childhood psychotic symptoms ante­
dating cannabis use." (Arseneault et. al., 2002)).

http://www.thisisjersey.com/2008/02/15/legal-drug-may-cause-mental-health-problems/
but look at that, a legal drug can also cause mental illness like cannabis. You are exclusively talking about cannabis and nothing else. Of course if you researched anything, you'll find that there are negatives associated with it, it's just weed has been portrayed to be such a dangerous substance when really, comparing to many other things we use day to day, it isn't much different.

Aside from saying that the link is not a peer-reviewed journal therefore not valid la di da...

Your post shows why people should actually... read the source they are linking. The article doesn't even say what you claim is being said.  I quote Mike Gafoor from the article.

‘It has been reported to cause hallucinations which can obviously affect people’s behaviour,’ he said.

‘Other drugs that affect perception, such as ecstasy, cannabis and LSD, can cause hallucinations and have been associated with mental health problems and Salvia could be a similar drug that can cause similar problems. We do not know enough about it yet.’

He isn't saying that Salvia causes mental illnesses but that since other drugs that affect perception have been known to be associated with mental illness, it can be hypothesised that Salvia may cause mental health issues as well. NOT that Salvia (your legal drug) causes mental illnesses.

Although most young people use cannabis in adolescence without harm, a vulnerable minority experience harmful outcomes.

yer and i think you should do the same:
However, while you are right that the journal does state that cannabis may cause schizophrenia,  i don't see what the point is there other than it may pose danger to users. But again, so do many of the things you use may result in harmful effects.

Also, there is a risk of schizophrenia, particularly in those who choose to take up smoking cannabis at an early age.

Reference
Arseneault L, Cannon M, Poulton R, Murray R, Caspi A, Moffitt TE. Cannabis use in adolescence and risk for adult psychosis: longitudinal prospective study. BMJ 2002;325;1212-1213. Link: http://www.bmj.com/cgi/reprint/325/7374/1212.pdf

I did read the study... and I did mention that there is a RISK of schizophrenia... I didn't say that if you smoke weed, you'll be schizophrenic by the next week.

The point is exactly what you said. To highlight and stop misconceptions that cannabis is this "harmless" drug (because it is "natural", hence it is safe, so the reasoning goes), which some people here think it is (or not as risky as alcohol/tobacco). You must note that never have I argued whether drugs should or should not be legalised.

[hard]

*Sigh*, you're still not reading my post in context. What a shame...

In regards to that last sentence... I think a lot of people underestimate the potential effects of cannabis as well as the consequences of acquiring schizophrenia (which the research I cited before has "taken into account childhood psychotic symptoms ante­
dating cannabis use." (Arseneault et. al., 2002)).

http://www.thisisjersey.com/2008/02/15/legal-drug-may-cause-mental-health-problems/
but look at that, a legal drug can also cause mental illness like cannabis. You are exclusively talking about cannabis and nothing else. Of course if you researched anything, you'll find that there are negatives associated with it, it's just weed has been portrayed to be such a dangerous substance when really, comparing to many other things we use day to day, it isn't much different.

Aside from saying that the link is not a peer-reviewed journal therefore not valid la di da...

Your post shows why people should actually... read the source they are linking. The article doesn't even say what you claim is being said.  I quote Mike Gafoor from the article.

‘It has been reported to cause hallucinations which can obviously affect people’s behaviour,’ he said.

‘Other drugs that affect perception, such as ecstasy, cannabis and LSD, can cause hallucinations and have been associated with mental health problems and Salvia could be a similar drug that can cause similar problems. We do not know enough about it yet.’

He isn't saying that Salvia causes mental illnesses but that since other drugs that affect perception have been known to be associated with mental illness, it can be hypothesised that Salvia may cause mental health issues as well. NOT that Salvia (your legal drug) causes mental illnesses.

Although most young people use cannabis in adolescence without harm, a vulnerable minority experience harmful outcomes.

yer and i think you should do the same:
However, while you are right that the journal does state that cannabis may cause schizophrenia,  i don't see what the point is there other than it may pose danger to users. But again, so do many of the things you use may result in harmful effects.

Also, there is a risk of schizophrenia, particularly in those who choose to take up smoking cannabis at an early age.

Reference
Arseneault L, Cannon M, Poulton R, Murray R, Caspi A, Moffitt TE. Cannabis use in adolescence and risk for adult psychosis: longitudinal prospective study. BMJ 2002;325;1212-1213. Link: http://www.bmj.com/cgi/reprint/325/7374/1212.pdf

I did read the study... and I did mention that there is a RISK of schizophrenia... I didn't say that if you smoke weed, you'll be schizophrenic by the next week.

The point is exactly what you said. To highlight and stop misconceptions that cannabis is this "harmless" drug (because it is "natural", hence it is safe, so the reasoning goes), which some people here think it is (or not as risky as alcohol/tobacco). You must note that never have I argued whether drugs should or should not be legalised.

which is why i didn't criticize you for doing so.

[TrueLight]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpgWAAmVwDM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8S8N2OG7sU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbaHhYf_uOs


i love how ron paul presents his views

[costargh]

1. I don't think weed is "harmless"
2. I believe that it isn't as risky as alcohol or ciggarettes
3. You article doesn't support the idea that cannabis is just as risky as using alcohol or cigarretes.

I don't know how you could come to that conclusion based on that one article.