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Re: Foreign Policy
« Reply #60 on: April 03, 2010, 01:52:39 am »
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No Special Relationships
By Philip Giraldi
Published 04/02/10

"In his farewell address George Washington recommended that the United States chart a course that would be unique among the nations of the world. He and the other Founding Fathers had just triumphed in a revolution that challenged in part the right of Kings to wage wars based on their own personal interests or due to rivalries with other nations. Washington understood that the complex alliances that both stitched together and divided the great powers of Europe had resulted in a nearly continuous series of wars starting in the sixteenth century, bringing death to millions and economic ruin. Washington advised the American people to avoid the quarrels of foreigners in his Farewell Address of 1796, "Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake; since history and experience prove, that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of Republican Government ... Excessive partiality for one foreign nation, and excessive dislike of another, cause those whom they actuate to see danger only on one side, and serve to veil and even second the arts of influence on the other. Real patriots, who may resist the intrigues of the favorite, are liable to become suspected and odious; while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people, to surrender their interests." Washington also counseled the American people to "Observe good faith and justice toward all nations. Cultivate peace and harmony with all."

And Washington was not alone. James Madison coined the phrase "entangling alliances" and Thomas Jefferson, in his first inaugural address, used the expression to tell congress and the people about the broad outlines of his foreign policy: "Peace, Commerce, and honest Friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none." And the desire to avoid war based on someone else’s quarrel obtained broader currency worldwide after the success of the American Revolution. The nineteenth century British Prime Minister Lord Palmerston put it in perhaps shrewder, more pragmatic terms regarding his own country, "We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual, and those interests it is our duty to follow."

Twenty-first century America has chosen to ignore both its founding principles and its national interest. It has also forgotten relatively recent history. Looking back from the window of 2010, it is hard to imagine that some Americans still living can recall a time in the 1930s when the American people demonstrated in their tens of thousands against any involvement in foreign wars. Prior to US entry into the Second World War, most Americans did not support involvement in the conflicts rocking Europe and Asia, forcing pro-war President Franklin Delano Roosevelt to engage in subterfuge to bring about the American entry. Entangling alliances have become the mode ever since that time. The United States helped found the United Nations, bound the nations of Western Europe to it with the creation of NATO, and entered into a series of bilateral arrangements and pacts in a number of parts of the world. Some would argue reasonably that NATO and the UN helped stabilize a shattered post war world and American involvement could not be avoided, but the chaos of 1945 is long since gone. Many of the international arrangements have long since outlived their usefulness while others never benefited the US national interest in any way.

NATO was founded to counter an expansionistic Russia in the postwar period. Even though the illusion of Soviet power exceeded its reality, most would agree that the threat posed by a nuclear armed and assertive Russia was real. But that threat disappeared in 1991 and now NATO has no obvious role. NATO’s presence fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan reveals the irrelevancy of the alliance. And then there is the expansion of NATO into Eastern Europe which, if anything, has created instability. The war between Georgia and Russia is a recent memory that underlines the danger in including new members of the alliance that bring with them local quarrels. If Georgia had been a member of NATO, it is not inconceivable that a small war would have developed into something much larger as NATO rushed to defend an alliance member. The US could have gone to war with Russia over Georgia, precisely the type of situation that George Washington advised against. Many in NATO, including the United States government, continue to insist that countries like Georgia should become part of the alliance. To do so would mean that the US would be obligated to defend their territorial integrity, a recipe for disaster. The solution? Disband NATO.

And then there are the special relationship countries. Two stand out at the present time, Great Britain and Israel. Britain and the US are together in NATO, but the special relationship goes back to the Second World War, a coming together that was artfully crafted by Winston Churchill and Franklin Roosevelt. It has persisted ever since, with the British generally supporting US policies, no matter how absurd, and Washington reciprocating by quietly advancing British interests. The most recent manifestations of the special relationship were on display in the invasion of Iraq, in which Britain supported a US led attack which it knew perfectly well was not grounded in reality. The US is currently reciprocating by accepting British claims of an economic exploitation zone around the Falkland Islands, in an area that is also claimed by Argentina. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has called for talks to resolve the issue, knowing that the British have already rejected that option. That the US should even find itself in the middle of a quarrel in which it has no stake is an unfortunate product of the special relationship. The real issue for both Britain and Argentina is economic as London believes there are 60 billion barrels of oil reserves offshore of the Falklands.

And then there is Israel. American politicians and media pundits constantly refer to Israel as an ally but, in fact, there is no alliance. Washington has several times proposed some kind of security arrangement, but Israel has rejected the proposals because it would require reciprocity and also Israel would have to have defined borders. That would mean Israel’s expansion into the West Bank would have to stop and the reciprocity requirement would also put a brake on Israel’s ability to make war on its neighbors without prior consultation and agreement. General David Petraeus has recently gone public with something that many have understood for a long time: Israel’s policies enflame Muslim opinion in the Middle East and Asia to such an extent that they are endangering American troops fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. Admiral Mike Mullen has privately gone one step farther with the Israelis, telling them that Washington does not want war with Iran. Mullen knows that the relationship with Israel is potentially toxic in that Israeli actions, uncontrolled by the US, can lead to much bigger confrontations with more formidable adversaries. Most in Washington now accept that Israel was a key player in the run up to the war against Iraq, a role that it and its major ally in Washington AIPAC are again playing to bring about a war with Iran. Reports that Israel might be considering using its own nuclear weapons against Iran to destroy that country’s nuclear development program are disquieting to say the least. The United States forces spread out through the region would quickly find themselves in the middle of a nuclear holocaust.

So much for alliances and special relationships. As is so often the case, the Founding Fathers were right. Foreign entanglements bring little in the way of benefit and ultimately can only do harm yet they are hardly ever challenged either by congress or the media. And they come at great expense. James Madison’s "entangling alliances" have largely been responsible for the current round of wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, which have cost nearly $1 trillion total and are continuing to run an unfunded tab at $11 billion per month. To sustain its NATO commitment the US maintains scores of otherwise unnecessary bases in Europe. In Asia, there is a major troop presence to defend South Korea and Japan, both of which have advanced economies and significant armed forces of their own. Israel gets more than $3 billion in aid a year and Egypt nearly $2 billion more on top of that just for being nice to Tel Aviv. Amidst all the spending and engagement, it is difficult to see what the American national interest might be. Perhaps someone in Washington should read up on George Washington and the other Founders and get back to basics."

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Re: Foreign Policy
« Reply #61 on: April 03, 2010, 01:57:20 am »
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When Was the Last Time You Visited Iraq?
By Tom Engelhardt
Published 03/26/10


Exporting American Democracy to the World

"Recently, I wrote about a crew of pundits and warrior-journalists eager not to see the U.S. military leave Iraq.  That piece appeared on the op-ed page of the Los Angeles Times (and in alonger version at TomDispatch.com) and then began wandering the media world.  One of its stops was the military newspaper Stars and Stripes.

From a military man came this emailed response: "Read your article in Stars and Stripes. When was the last time you visited Iraq?"

A critique in 15 well-chosen words.  So much more effective than a long, angry email, and his point was interesting.  At least, it interested me.  After all, as I wrote back, I'm a 65-year-old guy who has never been anywhere near Iraq and undoubtedly never will be.  I have to assume that my emailer had spent time there, possibly more than once, and disagreed with my assessments.

First-hand experience is not to be taken lightly.  What, after all, do I know about Iraq?  Only reporting I've been able to read from thousands of miles away or analysis found on the blogs of experts like Juan Cole.  On the other hand, even from thousands of miles away, I was one of many who could see enough, by early 2003, to go into the streets and demonstrate against an onrushing disaster of an invasion that a lot of people, theoretically far more knowledgeable on Iraq than any of us, considered just the cat's meow, the "cakewalk" of the new century.

It's true that I've never strolled down a street in Baghdad or Ramadi or Basra, armed or not, and that's a deficit, if you want to write about the American experience in Iraq.  It's also true that I haven't spent hours sipping tea with Iraqi tribal leaders, or been inside the Green Zone, or set foot on even one of the vast American bases that the Pentagon's private contractors have built in that country.  (Nor did that stop me from writing regularly about "America's ziggurats" when most of the people who visited those bases didn't consider places with 15-20 mile perimeters, multiple bus lines, PXs, familiar fast-food franchises, Ugandan mercenary guards, and who knows what else, to be particularly noteworthy structures on the Iraqi landscape and so, with rare exceptions, worth commenting on.)

I'm certainly no expert on Shiites and Sunnis.  I'm probably a little foggy on my Iraqi geography.  And I've never even seen the Tigris and Euphrates rivers.  On the other hand, it does occur to me that a whole raft of American pundits, government officials, and military types, who have done all of the above, who have spent time up close and personal in Iraq (or, at least, in the American version of the same), couldn't have arrived at dumber conclusions over these last many years.

So, first-hand experience, valuable as it may be for great reporters like, say, Anthony Shadid of the Washington Post and now the New York Times, or Patrick Cockburn of the BritishIndependent, can't be the be-all and end-all either.  Sometimes being far away, not just from Iraq, but from Washington and all the cloistered thinking that goes with it, from the visibly claustrophobic world of American global policymaking, has its advantages.  Sometimes, being out of it, experientially speaking, allows you to open your eyes and take in the larger shape of things, which is often only the obvious (even if little noted).


I can't help thinking about a friend of mine whose up-close and personal comment on U.S. military commanders in Afghanistan was that they were trapped in an American-made box, incapable of seeing beyond its boundaries -- of, that is, seeing Afghanistan.  Let me be clear: I have no doubt that being there is generally something to be desired.  But if you take your personal blinders with you, it often hardly matters where you are.  Thinking about my Stars and Stripes reader's question, the conclusion I've provisionally come to is this:  It's not just where you go, it's also how you see what's there, and no less important who you see, that matters -- which means that sometimes you can actually see more by going nowhere at all.

An Iraqi Tragedy

When American officials, civilian or military, open their eyes and check out the local landscape, no matter where they've landed, all evidence indicates that the first thing they tend to see is themselves; that is, they see the world as an American stage and those native actors in countries we've invaded and occupied or where (as in Pakistan, Somalia, and Yemen) we conduct what might be called semi-war as so many bit players in an American drama.  This is why, in both Iraq and Afghanistan, military commanders and top officials like Secretary of Defense Robert Gates or National Security Advisor James Jones continue to call so unselfconsciously for putting an Iraqi or Afghan "face" on whichever war is being discussed; in other words, to follow the image to its logical conclusion, putting an Iraqi or Afghan mask over a "face" that they recognize, however inconveniently or embarrassingly, as American.

This is why American officials regularly say that "Afghans are in the lead," when they aren't.  This is why, when you read newspaper descriptions of how the U.S. is giving Afghan President Hamid Karzai the "leading role" in deciding about the latest military offensive or pushing such-and-such an official (with his U.S. or western "mentors" in the wings) to take the lead in some action that seems to have been largely planned by Americans, the Afghans sound like so many puppets (which doesn't mean that they are) -- and this doesn't embarrass Americans in the least.

Generally speaking, the American post-9/11 language of power ostensibly aimed at building up the forces Washington supports in Muslim lands invariably sounds condescending. 


They are always peripheral to us, even when they are being urged or prodded to be at the center of the action.  This is why their civilians who come in harm's way are referred to as "collateral damage," an inconceivable way to describe American civilians in harm's way.  This is why, from Vietnam to today, in the movies that are made about our wars, even the anti-war ones, Americans invariably hog center stage, while you usually have to keep a careful watch to find passing evidence of those we are fighting against -- or for.  This was why, 40 years ago, Vietnam was regularly referred to here, whether by hawks or doves, as an "American tragedy," not a Vietnamese one -- and why the same thinking applies to Afghanistan and Iraq today.

This is why, using imagery that might have come out of the mouths of nineteenth century colonialists, American officials long talked patronizingly about teaching the Iraqi "child" to pedal the "bike" of democracy (with us, as global parents, holding onto the bike's seat).  This is the context within which even a president wondered when to take off "the training wheels."


This is evidently why, today, the introduction of "democracy" to Iraq is considered an American gift so precious that it somehow makes up for anything that's happened in the last seven years.  This is why, for instance, in a piece about the recent Iraqi elections headlined "It's Up to Iraqis Now.  Good Luck!" pundit Tom Friedman could write this sentence about the "U.S. project in Iraq": "Former President George W. Bush's gut instinct that this region craved and needed democracy was always right."

This is why, in honor of those same Iraqi elections, Newsweek could feature a "Victory at Last" cover showing George W. Bush striding from the scene on the aircraft carrier U.S.S. Abraham Lincoln where he gave his infamous "major combat operations in Iraq have ended" speech under a White-House-produced banner reading "Mission Accomplished." And then, under the eerie headline, "Rebirth of a Nation," with its American movie resonances, that magazine's correspondents could write:  "And yet it has to be said and it should be understood -- now, almost seven hellish years later -- that something that looks mighty like democracy is emerging in Iraq. And while it may not be a beacon of inspiration to the region, it most certainly is a watershed event that could come to represent a whole new era in the history of the massively undemocratic Middle East."

Like Afghanistan before it, Iraq is now largely the "forgotten" war, and if this is "victory," then here's a little of what's been forgotten in the process, of what Friedman suggests he'd prefer to leave future historians to sort out: that the American invasion led to possibly hundreds of thousands of Iraqi deaths; that literally millions of Iraqis had to flee into exile abroad and millions more were turned into internal refugees in their own country; that the national capital, Baghdad, was significantly ethnically cleansed in a brutal Shiite-Sunni civil conflict; that the country was littered with new "killing fields"; that a devastating insurgency roiled the land and still brings enough death and terror to Baghdad to make it one of the more dangerous places on the planet; that a soaring unemployment rate and the lack of delivery of the most basic services, including reliable electricity and potable water, created nightmarish conditions for a vast class of impoverished Iraqis; that the U.S., for all its nation-building boasts, proved remarkably incapable of "reconstructing" the country or its oil industry, even though American private contractors profited enormously from work on both; that a full-scale foreign military occupation left Americans on almost 300 bases nationwide and in the largest embassy on the planet; that American advisors remain attached to, and deeply embedded in, an Iraqi military that still lacks a credible air force and is unlikely to be able to operate and resupply itself on its own for years to come.

The Pride of Us

In other words, as bad as Saddam Hussein was (and he was a megalomanic monster), what followed him was a staggering catastrophe for Iraq, even if Americans no longer care to give it much thought.  Against the charnel house that Friedman would prefer to leave to history, however, stands one counterbalancing factor, the gift of "democracy" (even if, as was true in the Afghan election of 2009, the present election in Iraq is now dogged by claims of fraud from all sides). Democracy remains, it seems, the pride of us.

Even many who never supported George W. Bush's "democracy agenda" now seem to take some pride in this.  (Let's leave aside for a moment the fact that the Bush administration arrived in Iraq with remarkably undemocratic plans for the country and was thwarted only by the unwavering insistence of the revered Shiite cleric Ali Sistani on a one-person, one-vote election.)

Here's a prosaic passage on the recent elections from a Wall Street Journal report, which managed to sum up a hopeful, if hesitant, American consensus.  Journalist Margaret Coker wrote:

"The election to choose a new 325-seat parliament is considered a key step in Iraq's transition to stability and a harbinger of whether U.S. troops will be able to begin their planned withdrawal this summer. Both the vote itself and the protracted wait for results have been relatively free of violence, adding to hopes that Iraq's democracy is maturing."

There, of course, is that "kid" again, maturing, even if still under our tutelage.  The question remains, however:  Is he stable enough to stay on that bike so American troops can let go of the seat and withdraw fully?  And if that still-immature democratic Iraq fails to grow up?  Rest assured, it will be the fault of the Iraqis.  They just didn't mature fast enough -- an unfortunate American tragedy, which would leave us no choice but to garrison the country into the indefinite future.

Of course, in all of this, there are staggering levels of hypocrisy -- in the fact that we were for Saddam before we were against him.  In the fact, as well, that from Iran (1953) and Guatemala (1954) to Chile (September 11, 1973) and Pakistan (2008), the U.S. has, in instance after instance, regularly fostered and supported military juntas, strong men, and dictators, while holding off or overthrowing democracies not to our taste or not in what Washington defined as our interests.

Perhaps stranger yet, the democracy that we actually have in the United States -- and so assumedly can offer as our ultimate apology for invading and occupying other countries -- is rarely subjected to analysis in the context of the glorious urge to export the same.  So let's just stop for a moment and think a little about the American urge to be thrilled that, despite every disaster, against all odds, our grand accomplishment lies in bringing American democracy to Iraq.

The Rectification of Names

Democracy, like terrorism, is a method, a means to an end, not an end in itself.  Nobody is ruled by elections, anymore than any organization is run by terror or has terror as its ultimate goal.  If this obvious point had been accepted in the wake of the 9/11 attacks, the absurdity of the idea of a "global war on terror" or "on terrorism" would have been self-evident, as would a global war to deliver "democracy" to far-away peoples.

Democracy, after all, is a way to determine and then express the majoritarian will of a people, a way to deliver power to "the people" or, more important, for those people to take possession of it themselves.  It's the sort of thing that, by its nature, is hard to import from great distances, especially when, in our case, the delivery system to be exported seems strikingly deficient.  And keep in mind that the "people" exporting that system to Iraq were largely incapable of seeing Iraqis as actors in their own democratic drama.  They were incapable, that is, of imagining the nature of the lives they wanted to shape and change.

In a sense, that was hardly less true when they looked homeward.  After all, the glorious democracy they trumpeted to the world bore little relation to the Pax Republicana headed by an imperial presidency (complete with a cult of executive power) that they dreamed of installing in Washington for generations to come.

Given the nature of American democracy today -- the first billion-dollar presidential election, the staggering levels of lobbying and influence peddling that go with it, the stunning barrages of bizarre advertising, the difficulty of displacing incumbents in Congress, the increasingly corporate-owned and financed campaigns, a half-broken Congressional system, a national security state with unparalleled powers and money, and so on -- why all the effort to take it to Iraq?  Why measure Iraqis against it and find them lacking?  After all, in 2000, our presidential election went to the non-majoritarian candidate, thanks to decisions made by Supreme Court justices appointed by his father.  If this had happened in Nigeria, Afghanistan, or perhaps Iraq, we would know just what we were dealing with.

The fact is we have no word adequate to describe what, at the national level, we still persist in calling "democracy," what we regularly ask others to admire to the skies or bow down before.  The other day, at TPM Café, Todd Gitlin termed our system a "semi-democracy."  That, at least, represents an honest start.

In imperial China, when a new dynasty arrived on the scene, the emperor performed a ritual called the "rectification of names" in the belief that the previous dynasty had fallen in part because reality and the names for it had ceased to correspond.  We in the United States undoubtedly now need such a ceremony.  We certainly need a new term for our own "democracy" before we're so quick to hold it up as the paragon for others to match.

We also need to rethink our language when it comes to the U.S. military undertaking "nation building" in distant lands -- as if countries could be constructed to our taste in just the way that KBR or Dyncorp construct military bases in them.  We need to stop our commanders from bragging about our skill in creating a "government in a box" on demand for our Afghan friends, when our government at home is largely boxed in and strikingly dysfunctional.

So, no, I have never been to Iraq, but yes, I've been here for years, watching, and I can see, among other things, that the American mirror, mirror on the wall which shows us ourselves in such beautiful, Disneyesque detail, has a few cracks in it.  It looks fragile.  I'd think twice about sending it abroad too often."

Tom Engelhardt
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Re: Foreign Policy
« Reply #62 on: April 04, 2010, 02:22:58 pm »
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You have a lot to say don't you Mr. TrueLight.

Or rather, you have a lot to copy/paste.

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Re: Foreign Policy
« Reply #63 on: April 04, 2010, 04:38:13 pm »
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yeah i liked these articles thats why i put them up
most of the articles i post are libertarian anti war articles
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"Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just

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Re: Foreign Policy
« Reply #64 on: April 04, 2010, 05:03:59 pm »
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Hmmm... No offence but I detest that kind of thing (libertarian/anti-war)

and I disagree with 90% of what I skim-read in your articles.

I'd love to debate it sometime but I gotta go now
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Re: Foreign Policy
« Reply #65 on: April 05, 2010, 12:30:19 am »
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well some people have ideas about war being good and being interventionist is awesome and then you have others thinking war is pointless to the everyday citizen and interventionism leads to more problems
but debates in this area would probably lead to nowhere like with Trent in page 2
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Re: Foreign Policy
« Reply #66 on: April 06, 2010, 10:36:30 pm »
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argh im left sickened after watching this

Wikileaks has obtained and decrypted this previously unreleased video footage from a US Apache helicopter in 2007. It shows Reuters journalist Namir Noor-Eldeen, driver Saeed Chmagh, and several others as the Apache shoots and kills them in a public square in Eastern Baghdad. They are apparently assumed to be insurgents. After the initial shooting, an unarmed group of adults and children in a minivan arrives on the scene and attempts to transport the wounded. They are fired upon as well. The official statement on this incident initially listed all adults as insurgents and claimed the US military did not know how the deaths ocurred. Wikileaks released this video with transcripts and a package of supporting documents on April 5th 2010 on http://collateralmurder.com

Collateral Murder - Wikileaks - Iraq
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0

and heres Wikileads editor Julian Assange talking about this video on RT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QEdAykXxoM&feature=channel
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Re: Foreign Policy
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Who is Winpac?
By Karen Kwiatkowski 
Published 04/06/10


"In-the-know neoconster Bill Gertz wrote recently that "Iran is poised to begin producing nuclear weapons." For perspective, and illustrating a classic American policy contretemps is paragraph six on North Korea’s existent "capability to produce nuclear weapons with a yield of roughly a couple of kilotons TNT equivalent." This latter statement was based upon North Korea’s actual nuclear test in May 2009. But what is the former statement based upon? Recurring neocon snuff dreams that feature Iran as star victim.

Gertz is reporting from a report written by Winpac, the CIA Weapons Intelligence, Nonproliferation and Arms Control Center. Remember Iraq’s import of some aluminum tubes and what Colin Powell said to the UN and the world in February 2003 about them? Winpac is the dumb and dumber subset of the CIA that insisted (in spite of widespread US intelligence agency internal dissent, and the facts) "Iraq intended the tubes to be used in centrifuges that would enrich uranium for the core of a nuclear weapon."

Winpac "never budged from their [insanely stupid] analysis," stubborn and wrong to the bitter end. Except, it wasn’t the end, and I suspect, not bitter at all.

The Gertz report follows escalating murmurings and rumbling on Iran, no doubt geared in part as a cyclical appeasement of Israel’s ruling coalition that Washington, D.C. truly loves it above all others, foreign and domestic, and in part to appease those Congresspersons who may be worried that future Obamacare and its budget busters won’t interfere with the ongoing Obombacare of the military-industrial complex, and its demand for bunker-busters.

Who can doubt that government will take care of itself first and foremost? Any and all perceived threats, as we have seen with recent outrageous confections created by government paranoiacs, will result in swift government action, and hefty charges of illegalities on the "evildoers." Too bad the majority of Americans (in and out of trailer parks) who vehemently opposed and oppose industry and banking bailouts, the black-box decision-making of Federal Reserve, and national healthcare mandates can’t get that kind of swift government response regarding their concerns.

But who is Winpac? Their website says it "studies the entire spectrum of threats, ...and [provides] intelligence support to US nonproliferation, threat reduction, and arms control efforts. This provides end-to-end analysis of weapons systems from their development until they are no longer a threat to the US and our Allies. Perhaps Winpac is staffed with all those runner-ups in beauty contests who wanted world peace! Never mind. Beauty queens would probably do a better job of actually looking at the intelligence, and getting maps out to people.

Winpac served admirably during the Bush 43 years as neocon shock troops and leakers of data bits to Middle East war friendly media, stoking an unwarranted and unjust war against Iraq, a war that continues to this day as Iraqis refuse to completely relinquish autonomy and submit to us peacefully. The type and content of information being reported for the past 15 months in state media (and what is not reported) on Iran’s capabilities, ambitions, and rights tells me these same shock troops are still on the job. Have neocon provocateurs retained their appointments or made permanent their positions within the CIA, and in particular Winpac?

Well -- I don’t know, but I expect they did. I would be extremely shocked, shocked, to find that they didn’t. What I do know is that the career path of another "civil servant" who has been in the news recently, Mike Furlong, is all too typical. There is a segment of the population that seeks to lord it over others, and play great games with other people’s money without fiscal or moral or even political accountability, all while waving flags and getting that warm rush of self-righteous superiority spiked with false altruism. This is the very essence of government employment, and Mike Furlong has snorted the stuff for many decades.

Mike was an Army officer, then a contractor working for several parasitical defense budget feeders, then a high-ranking civil servant (Special Executive Service) just in time to ride out the Bush era and continue his efforts under Generalissimo Obama. Lil’ Mike got in trouble recently because a supposed information operation he was running in Afghanistan may have actually been killing people in addition to changing their minds.

Imagine that -- an information op that ends up getting people killed. Sounds like just about every war and a not a few pre-war, post-war and inter-war activities of the U.S. government since gaining independence from the King George III. Hmmm.

As I wander fruitlessly over the net to find out who Winpac really is and why they are saying the things they do, I see that overnight, the U.S. Navy has fired a Trident missile somewhere out of Saudi Arabia. The Trident can carry nukes (well, what can’t these days) but the assessment of what this is about seems split between demonstrating a military capability we’d like to sell the Saudis before their oil runs out, or a marker for the Iranians that now "We really really, really, really have you surrounded!" with permanent, if poorly managed, military bases and ships. It’s Washington sign language to a fellow centralized, broke, and paranoid government that we are prepared to "defend ourselves and our centralized, broke and paranoid allies."

Perhaps, little Winpac, "our" entire foreign policy, and increasingly "our" domestic policy isn’t ours at all. The government and government beneficiaries are lining up in anxious opposition against the much larger, much more creative and decentralized populations that existentially threaten its comfortable, profligate and power-wielding existence. This is the real reason that ragtag and brokedown militias, tea partiers, entrepreneurs, raw milk drinkers and libertarian thinkers of every stripe are obsessively feared by the state, and state media.

It’s been said that the Americans can be sheeplike. I have a few sheep, and they are not as easy to lead and herd as their reputation implies. Furthermore, they are interested in everything and never forget a face. I suspect the government already knows what I have only recently discovered, and I must say, it puts a smile on my face and a spring in my step!"

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Re: Foreign Policy
« Reply #68 on: April 06, 2010, 11:39:38 pm »
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What does Israel gain by exaggerating or falsifying their intelligence on the Iran nuclear issue? It in no way benefits Israel to have direct confrontation with Iran. For them to even be considering military action (as evidenced by their recent training drills and purchase of bunker-busters), they must have some pretty solid intelligence that Iran really are in the process of building nukes.
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Re: Foreign Policy
« Reply #69 on: April 06, 2010, 11:43:30 pm »
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im building a nuke, should be done in a few months ;)
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« Reply #70 on: April 06, 2010, 11:45:22 pm »
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im building a nuke, should be done in a few months ;)

Got a target in mind yet? Or is it just for deterrence
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« Reply #71 on: April 06, 2010, 11:47:47 pm »
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im building a nuke, should be done in a few months ;)

Got a target in mind yet? Or is it just for deterrence

lol just for deterrence atm.
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Re: Foreign Policy
« Reply #72 on: April 06, 2010, 11:47:54 pm »
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if iran is attacked i suspect that america will bomb first
but israel has special relations with america and america has vested interests in the middle east, natural resources is one of them
and even if iran is seeking the capability to build nuclear weapons that is in no way a justification to go to war
and besides israel has over 200 nuclear weapons itself
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« Reply #73 on: April 06, 2010, 11:51:19 pm »
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no biasty towards either side but i just done see why a country shouldnt be allowed to build a nuke when every other country in the world has em :/
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« Reply #74 on: April 06, 2010, 11:54:25 pm »
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And how many times has Israel threatened to wipe another country off the map?
Everyone knows that Israel's nukes are just a deterrence.

Whereas with Iran, with a maniacal, genocidal dictator backed by Islamic fundamentalists, with the stated intention of turning Israel to dust, there is much reason to fear that they would actually use them. Israel absolutely has the right for a surgical strike to disarm Iran before it can be attacked.
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