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Re: Foreign Policy
« Reply #75 on: April 06, 2010, 11:55:35 pm »
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no biasty towards either side but i just done see why a country shouldnt be allowed to build a nuke when every other country in the world has em :/

Because it's ruled by a genocidal, clinically insane, religious fundamentalist maniac.
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Re: Foreign Policy
« Reply #76 on: April 06, 2010, 11:56:41 pm »
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And how many times has Israel threatened to wipe another country off the map?
Everyone knows that Israel's nukes are just a deterrence.

Whereas with Iran, with a maniacal, genocidal dictator backed by Islamic fundamentalists, with the stated intention of turning Israel to dust, there is much reason to fear that they would actually use them. Israel absolutely has the right for a surgical strike to disarm Iran before it can be attacked.

kind of disagree there, but ill leave it at that .
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Re: Foreign Policy
« Reply #77 on: April 07, 2010, 12:01:55 am »
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i disagree im sure i posted it somewhere on here

http://www.mohammadmossadegh.com/news/rumor-of-the-century/

there will be many unintended consequences if they start bombing iran... one of them being a rally around their government instead of the agitation that is currently in their country.

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Re: Foreign Policy
« Reply #78 on: April 07, 2010, 12:09:50 am »
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OK, so perhaps it wasn't in those exact words. In any case, he's made it extremely care he's interested in the destruction of Israel as a Jewish state completely. i could find you quotes for that but I'm sure it's not necessary.
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Re: Foreign Policy
« Reply #79 on: April 07, 2010, 12:17:53 am »
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so you actually think Iran would bomb Israel?
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Re: Foreign Policy
« Reply #80 on: April 07, 2010, 12:46:58 am »
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a few interviews i like
Bomb, bomb Iran? US in 'same build-up to war as to Iraq invasion'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBQeyqoUDkM&feature=PlayList&p=93188243F6D0495F&playnext_from=PL
Chossudovsky: US will start WW3 by attacking Iran (agree alot with this guy)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4p1kD8CZX8&feature=PlayList&p=93188243F6D0495F&playnext_from=PL
Is the US going to attack Iran?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hbde7A3htQ&feature=related (oh yeah i forgot... who benefits? one being the military industrial complex, the companies who profit from war)
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Re: Foreign Policy
« Reply #81 on: April 07, 2010, 12:58:35 am »
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I doubt iran would bomb irsael... its just a stupid move.

As far as im aware with my passing knowledge israel is in some kind alliance or at least psuedo-alliance with America, if they were to bomb israel.. they'd be well... screwed. Its sort of like mutal assured destruction doctrine.. in the way that if they do much they'll be in trouble..America has a huge technically advanced army. (Or just wave after wave of soldiers...)

I'm not sure people will let America preemptively attack Iran after what they saw in the current wars, so id have to have a pretty big cause.

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Re: Foreign Policy
« Reply #82 on: April 07, 2010, 01:01:54 am »
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yeah hopefully Iran doesn't end up like Iraq (fear mongering about WOMD)- a colossal failure
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Re: Foreign Policy
« Reply #83 on: April 07, 2010, 07:59:39 pm »
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Ron Paul on Freedom Watch talking about Obama's foreign policy
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Re: Foreign Policy
« Reply #84 on: April 07, 2010, 08:14:49 pm »
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Ron Paul on Freedom Watch talking about Obama's foreign policy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Co8fgKzgSiE

I haven't watched that video but I don't need to.

Obama's foreign policy is a joke, a catastrophe, a disaster waiting to happen, a betrayal, I could go on but you probably see my point.
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Re: Foreign Policy
« Reply #85 on: April 07, 2010, 08:23:35 pm »
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lol yep
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Re: Foreign Policy
« Reply #86 on: April 08, 2010, 11:39:15 pm »
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The WikiLeaks Video and Terrorist Blowback
By Jacob Hornberger
Published 04/08/10


"I can't improve on Glenn Greenwald's analysis of the WikiLeaks video depicting the slaughter of Iraqi citizens. See here and here and here.
However, there is one part of the WikiLeaks video that I wish to address -- the reaction of the helicopter pilots upon learning that there were two children who were shot and injured during the melee. Their reaction, in fact, perfectly exemplifies the mindset that has long characterized U.S. officials, including those in the Pentagon.

When the pilots discovered that they had shot the two Iraqi kids, here was their exchange:

"Well it's their fault for bringing their kids into a battle."

"That's right."

No remorse, no anguish, no regret, no concern. Just callous indifference to the possibility that the lives of two innocent children might have just been snuffed out.

What will be the reaction of the relatives of those two Iraqi children, who lost their father in the attack? Surely, even the most ardent pro-war advocates would not deny the obvious: the relatives will be filled with anger and rage.

Welcome to the world of U.S. foreign policy and terrorist blowback.

In fact, this most recent episode in Iraq is a minor déjà vu of what took place during the Persian Gulf War and the 11-year period following it. During that war, the Pentagon conducted a secret study that concluded that if Iraq's water and sewage facilities were destroyed, this would help spread infectious illnesses among the Iraqi people.

So, the order was given: Drop the bombs on those facilities.

Then, to ensure that the facilities couldn't be repaired, the U.S. government induced the UN to impose one of the most brutal systems of sanctions in history on Iraq.

The Pentagon proved to be right, with the deadly consequences of drinking the polluted water falling most heavily on Iraqi children. Year after year, tens of thousands of Iraqi children were dying. Two high UN officials even resigned their posts in protest to what they termed "genocide."

What was the reaction of U.S. officials to those deaths? It was the same reaction expressed by those pilots in the WikiLeaks video: callous indifference. U.S. Ambassador to the UN Madeleine Albright reflected the mindset of U.S. officials when she told "Sixty Minutes" (and the people of the Middle East) that the deaths of half-a-million Iraqi children from the sanctions were "worth it."

It is impossible to measure the depth of anger and rage that spread not just in Iraq but also the Middle East over the deaths of the Iraqi children, year after year, and over the mindset of callous indifference that characterized U.S. officials. When Ramzi Yousef was sentenced for the 1993 terrorist attack on the WTC, he angrily cited the sanctions and the deaths of the Iraqi children as one of the things that drove him to commit his terrorist attack.

That WTC attack in 1993 was followed by the attack on the USS Cole, the attack on the U.S. Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, and, of course, the 9/11 attacks.

We all know what U.S. officials said: Oh, it's not because of what the U.S. government has done to people in Iraq and the Middle East, including the sanctions and our indifference to the deaths of the Iraqi children, the Persian Gulf intervention, the unconditional financial and military support to the Israeli government, or the intentional stationing of U.S. troops on Islamic holy lands. People in the Middle East don't care about all that. They just hate us for our freedom and values.

Mark my words: they'll say the same thing if relatives of those two Iraqi children -- or the children themselves -- end up retaliating for what was done to the children's father and other victims of the most recent slaughter.

Finally, let us never forget: Neither the Iraqi people nor the Iraqi government participated in the 9/11 attacks or ever attacked the United States. That makes the U.S. government the unlawful aggressor, invader, attacker, and occupier in this conflict, which means that U.S. soldiers have no right, moral or legal, to be killing anyone in Iraq, including those Iraqis who are simply trying to rid their country of an illegal aggressor, invader, attacker, and occupier.

By the way, Joy Gordon, who wrote one of the most insightful articles on the Iraq sanctions, entitled " Cool War: Economic Sanctions as a Weapon of Mass Destruction" has a brand new book out on the Iraq sanctions entitled Invisible War: The United States and the Iraq Sanctions. I haven't read it yet but if it's as good as her article, it's definitely a great book.

For a nice compilation of articles on the sanctions, see: www.fff.org/whatsNew/2004-02-09a.htm"

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Re: Foreign Policy
« Reply #87 on: April 09, 2010, 01:19:47 am »
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If I saw a terrorist about to launch an attack, which would threaten the lives of many innocent civilians, I'd happily shoot him even if he was holding his baby daughter in his arms. As terrible as it is, the lives of many outweigh the lives of one, so if they bring children with them when they do their dirty work then the responsibility and fault for that child's potential death lies purely with them.
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Re: Foreign Policy
« Reply #88 on: April 09, 2010, 01:54:43 am »
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this wasn't the case in that incident
and its obvious you don't want a guy with guns about to shoot or wrapped with bombs around him running towards a crowd and not do anything about that, but then u look at the other side of it and you don't want some foreign military force shooting at whoeva killing innocent people, and then those children in those cars growing up wanting to kill americans.
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Re: Foreign Policy
« Reply #89 on: April 13, 2010, 12:09:15 am »
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By Becky Akers
Published 04/12/10


"Listen to the drums beating the Dead March as the American Empire chugs into totalitarianism’s next terminus: execution of citizens without trial.

"The Obama administration has taken the extraordinary step of authorizing the targeted killing of an American citizen," the New York Times reports. And yes, those are cheers you hear over the drums, erupting from the same neocons who applauded torture and Gitmo. That’s because the intended victim is "the radical Muslim cleric Anwar al-Awlaki... who was born in New Mexico and spent years in the United States as an imam" but who is now "hiding in Yemen."

"Extraordinary," indeed. Once upon a time we required a trial; in fact, the Constitution still does. The State must present and prove its charges to an "impartial jury" before it takes a man’s life. True, politicians and bureaucrats often rig those trials, while cops and prosecutors tamper with evidence, but what else would we expect from government? Yet Leviathan now dispenses with that pretense, too, as it has with search warrants, habeas corpus, presumption of innocence, motive, and other such quaint necessities.

Even the Times, which leads the pack of "mainstream" (sic for "considerably to the left of Pravda") media in its animosity to liberty, is appalled enough to quote anonymous "officials" who admit that this is "extremely rare, if not unprecedented."

What has our fellow-citizen done to merit such attention? The Feds allege a great many foul deeds, though I’m hard-pressed to find one that threatens us nearly as much as the average Congressional act. Our Rulers "[believe]" Anwar is now "participating directly" in attacks on Americans rather than simply "encouraging" them. They’ve "linked" him to bad guys like the Underwear Bomber and the Ft. Hood Shooter. "Counterterrorism officials" who, curiously enough, battle those inept bad guys instead of the horrifically successful ones in Congress, claim he’s a member of al Qaeda.

"'Awlaki is a proven threat,'a US official told Reuters news agency" -- just not in court. Far be it from the Feds to convict their suspect at trial, however easy it would be given Anwar’s patronage of prostitutes and a system that punishes vice as crime. No, we’re simply supposed to trust Our Rulers. After all, paranoid nuts who add motherly doctoral students from Stanford University, famous singers, and 4-year-old boys to their silly blacklists couldn’t possibly make another mistake, could they?

For all his sleaze, Anwar eschews the secrecy our supposedly open government craves. He’s outspoken and honest about why he left his native country. "I lived in the U.S. for 21 years," he says on a tape CNN "obtained" but could not "authenticate" last month. "America was my home. I was a preacher of Islam involved in non-violent Islamic activism. However with the American invasion of Iraq and continued U.S. aggression against Muslims, I could not reconcile between living in the U.S. and being a Muslim."

Anwar isn’t the only "terrorist" to sing this song. Indeed, it’s become the usual refrain. Over and over, Moslems that the Feds dismiss as terrorists blame American foreign policy for reactions the Feds dismiss as extremism. "Any state that does not mess with our security, has naturally guaranteed its own security," Osama himself advised us in 2004. "... We fought you because we are free ... and want to regain freedom for our nation. As you undermine our security we undermine yours... While I was looking at these destroyed towers in Lebanon [during the Israeli invasion American busybodies encouraged in 1982], it sparked in my mind that the tyrant should be punished with the same and that we should destroy towers in America, so that it tastes what we taste and would be deterred from killing our children and women... God knows that it had not occurred to our mind to attack the towers, but after our patience ran out and we saw the injustice and inflexibility of the American-Israeli alliance toward our people in Palestine and Lebanon, this came to my mind."

You might think the sense of this so self-evident that even the Feds would listen. After all, lex talionis, tit-for-tat, what-goes-around-comes-around has reigned internationally for millennia; that’s one reason George Washington recommended "extending our commercial relations" with "foreign nations" while forming "as little political connection as possible." Attack a country by outright invasion (even when euphemized as "liberation") or by meddling in its affairs, and sooner or later, its residents will defend themselves. Nevertheless, Our Rulers play checkers with the Middle East, manipulating peoples, governments, and whole countries to satisfy American politicians, special interests, or corporations.

DC’s thugs will see us all die in more 9/11’s rather than admit their culpability and cease their anti-Constitutional forays overseas. That’s because ending the War on Terror would cancel all those lucrative, cozy contracts belligerent bureaucracies from the Pentagon to the Transportation Security Administration hand out; "targeting" Anwar instead funnels billions of our taxes into corporations'coffers and from thence to politicians'campaign chests. No wonder yet another nameless "official" sniffed to the New York Times, "The United States works, exactly as the American people expect, to overcome threats to their security, and this individual -- through his own actions -- has become one. ... None of this should surprise anyone." Especially those who understand corporatism and the transformation of a republic into a fascist empire.

Meanwhile, there’s this from Rep[ulsive] Jane Harman (D-Israel -- whoops, I mean CA), neoconservative chair of "a House subcommittee on homeland security": Anwar is "probably the person, the terrorist, who would be terrorist No. 1 in terms of threat against us."

Don’t you hate false modesty?"

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