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Archived Discussion => VTAC Offers => Results Discussion => Victoria => 2012 => Topic started by: BoredSatan on January 27, 2012, 06:23:54 pm
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I've heard that Latrobe have been calling up peeps saying that they can no longer do dentistry..
I'm currently overseas so any call won't come through to me..
Can anyone tell me wtf they are up to..
I actually called Latrobe this morning from where I am and they said that I've been enrolled and everything but now I'm a little worried..
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what do you mean?? my friend got in and everything is fine :/
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I would assume that you calling them and them telling you're enrolled and everything that you have nothing to worry about.
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I guess.. But I just want to make sure so that worst case I dont get in some how I still have time to organise whatever i have to do
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I would assume that you calling them and them telling you're enrolled and everything that you have nothing to worry about.
This and they won't reject you on your ATAR :)
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Ah, OK. Had a quick look on MSO what the fuss was. Basically they seemed to have over-offered, and are trying to get students to defer to next year, enticing them with scholarships and such.
I would say just go, don't defer. It'll be packed either year regardless.
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This thread? http://www.medstudentsonline.com.au/f98/phone-call-24683/
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That's the one indeed.
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Yup that post.
and lol just saying, if you were meant to get the call and never picked up... does that mean they never informed you hence you wouldnt be kicked out anyway? xD
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Yup that post.
and lol just saying, if you were meant to get the call and never picked up... does that mean they never informed you hence you wouldnt be kicked out anyway? xD
lol thats my situation.. kinda overseas so any call would go to voice mail..
although i highly doubt they would kick me out with my atar but i will call them on monday just to make sure everything is fine.
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hmm, although i'm not in dentistry at la trobe (neither did i apply for it) but there's been a lot of buzz about that course, to the point where i think selection is extremely dodgy
1) the issue of biology as a pre-requisite - i still do not understand whether biology is a pre-requisite. it's listed as one in the VTAC guide, my friend called them up and they said biology is defs a pre-requisite and you will not get in unless you do biology, guess what, i know someone who didn't do biology and got in (although has declined to go interstate).
2) this bullshieeeet, and it really is bullshit, the selection officer should resign seriously, how the hell did they over offer, are they stupid? and also, apparently the phone calls are random, some guy on MSO said he received a call whilst someone with a lower ATAR didn't :S
Apparently, the reason why this happenned is that, they purposely over-offered because in order to counter the number of rejections from students going interstate or interstate students who aren't moving there, however, they over-offered TOO MUCH
legally, however, if they offer you a place, it is a contract, so they can't "kick you out" unless you break the terms of the contract (like breaking the MMI silence at Monash), so I guess they will just drastically increase the temptation until they oust enough people out
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Friend just posted a status notifying that her enrollment was cancelled, she was 0.1 over the 98.4 though.
That's so dog though, as if they can do that after saying you have been enrolled.
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Friend just posted a status notifying that her enrollment was cancelled, she was 0.1 over the 98.4 though.
That's so dog though, as if they can do that after saying you have been enrolled.
so what? shes taking the scholarship for next year??
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kenoy said that she got "her enrolment cancelled", although I'm not sure whether he means she got kicked out or was forced to defer
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I have no idea, that's what she posted. I asked her about the scholarship thing she hasn't replied yet...
So if all those people take those scholarships does that mean this year it will be harder to get in?
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Yeah, it should mean that, because the clearly-ins would increase due to lesser places.
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I have no idea, that's what she posted. I asked her about the scholarship thing she hasn't replied yet...
So if all those people take those scholarships does that mean this year it will be harder to get in?
I reckon, i heard it was something like 30 people who will be getting cut off because there are only about 45 places available... so im thinking.. what about the applicants for 2013? will there only be 15 spots available for then? :s
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seems like it
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I thought there was like 80 or so places?
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Oh no :S
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they offered around 120 places i think.. no idea what the cut-off is now
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Bloody poor form. Although I'm sure bio is a pre requisite this year, hence the lower atar although that's due to over offering also. From what I've gathered, some people with the lowest atars are kicked out, like that users friend with 0.1 , but some with a perhaps middle band score get an offer to defer. Rest assured it's highly unlikely they'll leave fifteen spots for the next cohort. to be honest the over offering was slightly justified but the extent was poor ly judged. We've had like five students bail before semester starte last year and we've lost another three t interstate transfer or returning to med...
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Also, what the fuck at the scholarship, that's more than what my friend got for academic merit, and she's the only one with a scholarship in my cohort, it's only 2 k a year.
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Over-offering is not the problem- I think most medschools do it too. Less people must have dropped out than they anticipated, i'm not sure why though.
@Boredsaint: for peace of mind if you want reassurance, what you should do is ring them and get the name of the person you speak to. Then, if they pull you up later, you can say you spoke to that person and they confirmed your place for this year.
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hmm, although i'm not in dentistry at la trobe (neither did i apply for it) but there's been a lot of buzz about that course, to the point where i think selection is extremely dodgy
1) the issue of biology as a pre-requisite - i still do not understand whether biology is a pre-requisite. it's listed as one in the VTAC guide, my friend called them up and they said biology is defs a pre-requisite and you will not get in unless you do biology, guess what, i know someone who didn't do biology and got in (although has declined to go interstate).
WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT.
...........................................................Oh my god. So do we need bio or not? If I wanted to do dentistry it would take 5-8 years in UOM and about the same in Monash. Thats coz I cant get into the straight in La trobe, coz I dont take Bio.......................now I'm really confused.
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hmm, although i'm not in dentistry at la trobe (neither did i apply for it) but there's been a lot of buzz about that course, to the point where i think selection is extremely dodgy
1) the issue of biology as a pre-requisite - i still do not understand whether biology is a pre-requisite. it's listed as one in the VTAC guide, my friend called them up and they said biology is defs a pre-requisite and you will not get in unless you do biology, guess what, i know someone who didn't do biology and got in (although has declined to go interstate).
WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT.
...........................................................Oh my god. So do we need bio or not? If I wanted to do dentistry it would take 5-8 years in UOM and about the same in Monash. Thats coz I cant get into the straight in La trobe, coz I dont take Bio.......................now I'm really confused.
Go to your school immediately and enrol in Biology because you will need it if you are doing LaTrobe dentistry.
You don't need Unit 1/2. I never did it and enrolled in Bio last minute and it worked out fine. I dropped it for Physics. I suggest that you do the same.
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hmm, although i'm not in dentistry at la trobe (neither did i apply for it) but there's been a lot of buzz about that course, to the point where i think selection is extremely dodgy
1) the issue of biology as a pre-requisite - i still do not understand whether biology is a pre-requisite. it's listed as one in the VTAC guide, my friend called them up and they said biology is defs a pre-requisite and you will not get in unless you do biology, guess what, i know someone who didn't do biology and got in (although has declined to go interstate).
WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT.
...........................................................Oh my god. So do we need bio or not? If I wanted to do dentistry it would take 5-8 years in UOM and about the same in Monash. Thats coz I cant get into the straight in La trobe, coz I dont take Bio.......................now I'm really confused.
Go to your school immediately and enrol in Biology because you will need it if you are doing LaTrobe dentistry.
You don't need Unit 1/2. I never did it and enrolled in Bio last minute and it worked out fine. I dropped it for Physics. I suggest that you do the same.
I love Physics though. I cant drop it, because I am actually good at it in comparison to Biology. I did year 10 bio, and I pretty much suck shit. What do I do? I am not changing my subject selection btw
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hmm, although i'm not in dentistry at la trobe (neither did i apply for it) but there's been a lot of buzz about that course, to the point where i think selection is extremely dodgy
1) the issue of biology as a pre-requisite - i still do not understand whether biology is a pre-requisite. it's listed as one in the VTAC guide, my friend called them up and they said biology is defs a pre-requisite and you will not get in unless you do biology, guess what, i know someone who didn't do biology and got in (although has declined to go interstate).
WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT.
...........................................................Oh my god. So do we need bio or not? If I wanted to do dentistry it would take 5-8 years in UOM and about the same in Monash. Thats coz I cant get into the straight in La trobe, coz I dont take Bio.......................now I'm really confused.
Go to your school immediately and enrol in Biology because you will need it if you are doing LaTrobe dentistry.
You don't need Unit 1/2. I never did it and enrolled in Bio last minute and it worked out fine. I dropped it for Physics. I suggest that you do the same.
I love Physics though. I cant drop it, because I am actually good at it in comparison to Biology. I did year 10 bio, and I pretty much suck shit. What do I do? I am not changing my subject selection btw
Fine then. Don't drop it. You won't be doing dentistry at LaTrobe next year...
A lot of the spots for 2013 intake are already gone because they have to offer them to people who they screwed over this year.
This, in combination with the lack of the biology prereq pretty much gives you little to no chance of getting in.
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they offered around 120 places i think.. no idea what the cut-off is now
A guy on medstudentonline said that after these phonecalls, the cut-off went up to 99.05, so I think you're pretty safe :D
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hmm, although i'm not in dentistry at la trobe (neither did i apply for it) but there's been a lot of buzz about that course, to the point where i think selection is extremely dodgy
1) the issue of biology as a pre-requisite - i still do not understand whether biology is a pre-requisite. it's listed as one in the VTAC guide, my friend called them up and they said biology is defs a pre-requisite and you will not get in unless you do biology, guess what, i know someone who didn't do biology and got in (although has declined to go interstate).
WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT.
...........................................................Oh my god. So do we need bio or not? If I wanted to do dentistry it would take 5-8 years in UOM and about the same in Monash. Thats coz I cant get into the straight in La trobe, coz I dont take Bio.......................now I'm really confused.
Go to your school immediately and enrol in Biology because you will need it if you are doing LaTrobe dentistry.
You don't need Unit 1/2. I never did it and enrolled in Bio last minute and it worked out fine. I dropped it for Physics. I suggest that you do the same.
I love Physics though. I cant drop it, because I am actually good at it in comparison to Biology. I did year 10 bio, and I pretty much suck shit. What do I do? I am not changing my subject selection btw
.....then what do you want to do? You want to get a place without satisfying the pre requisites? Unfortunately, that is not possible..
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Nisha,
Adelaide offers u'grad dentistry. Do you take chem too? You can satisfy the prereqs if you take chem and physics, you don't need bio.
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Nisha, you can also do Biology as an extra subject, if you're willing to really put your heart into La Trobe.
Other options include Adelaide, CSU, UQ and JCU, none of which need Biology.
Anyways, Samad, most medical schools don't over-offer, they actually have a Second Round, so any places which aren't accepted will be given out in Second Round. I don't think La Trobe Dentistry has a Second Round, the reason for it, I'm not sure why.
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Anyways, Samad, most medical schools don't over-offer, they actually have a Second Round, so any places which aren't accepted will be given out in Second Round.
Nah, they still do for some reason (I don't think Monash does though).
I agree with Paulsterio and thushan though. Really give interstate options a consider, and if not, doing bio as an extra sub may not be too bad (although, being me, I'm in favour of dropping physics :P)
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Hmmm, I think it'd be a bit controversial if they do over-offer, and even if they could, why would they when they have a 2nd round? It's too risky to make sense. I've never heard of Monash over-offering, I guess it's more of an issue with small schools which get rejected quite often.
But yeah, I think interstate is a real option, considering if you go to Bendigo, you'll be living there anyway, so no difference really. But hmm, I guess since you go to Overnewton, you live near there and in that case, Bendigo is only 2 hours or so down the Calder Freeway, which is good.
I still know people THIS YEAR, who've gotten in without Biology, well one person, but still :P
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Monash does over-offer.
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Oh really? Where did you hear/see that? I'm quite interested now
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Most universities over-offer their courses because they know people, for some reason or another, either decline or defer.
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But if they over offer, why's there Round 2
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I can't find where the 2011 offers stats are anymore, but VTAC said >200 unbonded spots were offered but it was later stated by Monash that 160 (or something to that effect) students took unbonded spots. They offer spots to a heap of interstaters and although some will accept, it is expected that a large quantity of them will decline each year in preference to their own state. Once those spots are declined, they only offer a small number (if any) of them again in the second round.
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Over-offering is not the problem- I think most medschools do it too. Less people must have dropped out than they anticipated, i'm not sure why though.
@Boredsaint: for peace of mind if you want reassurance, what you should do is ring them and get the name of the person you speak to. Then, if they pull you up later, you can say you spoke to that person and they confirmed your place for this year.
dw guys i called them up this morning and spoke to my proxy who works there and she said i was enrolled and everything is in order :D
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Relevant. Glad it didn't affect you though :)
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3 years of free uni plus a gap year is not too bad if you think about it for those who have to defer
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Relevant. Glad it didn't affect you though :)
That... is a lot worse than I thought it was.
Having a gap year wouldn't be so bad, but I'm sure a lot of the students had put payments on places to stay and such already and now have to defer that.
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Nisha,
Adelaide offers u'grad dentistry. Do you take chem too? You can satisfy the prereqs if you take chem and physics, you don't need bio.
Thanks, I'll consider those options:)
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Relevant. Glad it didn't affect you though :)
Damn you beat me to it. Deferring is better than being kicked out. Do they know how expensive dentistry equipment is? They should take advantage, work and earn money to prepare for the coming years, particularly the to on rural placement cause I doubt you can work then.
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3 years of HECS will be covered by La Trobe for these students? WOW
Also, what happens for those finishing school this year? No places because they're all taken up by those who have been forced to defer?
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Probabaly only have limited places, with the cut-off higher :(
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you would feel so shit...
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Latrobe could have handled this better.
They should have asked for volunteers.
Their alternative offer would appeal to some at least.
There is nothing wrong with a gap year, if you are guaranteed a spot in your preferred course the following year.
You can chill, travel, work, pursue other interests.
You dont even 'lose' a year, because if they waive HECS for three years, thats a whole year of your life you dont have to work solely for the purpose of repaying your HECS loan.
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I think the issue isn't so much with the people forced to defer, at least they still get to do the damn course, it's the issue with the 2012 graduates not being able to get in :(
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I think the issue isn't so much with the people forced to defer, at least they still get to do the damn course, it's the issue with the 2012 graduates not being able to get in :(
Yes, the Latrobe stuff-up will be felt mostly by the next 2-3 years of Y12 graduates, until this year's over-enrolment washes through
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Even though I may not be able to get into Latrobe (because I dont have all the prereq's) I find it dissapointing that they could not handle this situation. They offer 45 places into their dentistry course, 30 of which will be taken by those who will be forced to have a gap year, or defer. That leaves 15 places to the graduates of 2012. Honestly. That many people want to do dentistry, what will the cut off be, 99.95?
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I guess they'll only accept the best of the best :/
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No it's not that simple, there will be a flow on effect. This is the simple reason why.
They'll end up offering those 15 places to those with really high ATARs, however, the ones with the high ATARs will be more likely to head interstate for Medicine or Dentistry elsewhere. Hence, a lot of them will reject the offer. La Trobe will know this, hence they have to over-offer by quite a large margin in order to counter the fact that their rejection rates will be higher. This means that there might have to be forced deferrals again due to the high over-offering. This will then lead onto next year as well...etc.
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ah ok, so it's likely the same siituation may arise next year as well?
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paulsterio, was wondering, if you get accepted into a dental course in Melbourne, why would the reasons be to reject and do another dentistry course interstate?
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No it's not that simple, there will be a flow on effect. This is the simple reason why.
They'll end up offering those 15 places to those with really high ATARs, however, the ones with the high ATARs will be more likely to head interstate for Medicine or Dentistry elsewhere. Hence, a lot of them will reject the offer. La Trobe will know this, hence they have to over-offer by quite a large margin in order to counter the fact that their rejection rates will be higher. This means that there might have to be forced deferrals again due to the high over-offering. This will then lead onto next year as well...etc.
I really doubt this will happen, given that they're now offering a third of the places they normally would. Any flow on effect will be pretty minor
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No it's not that simple, there will be a flow on effect. This is the simple reason why.
They'll end up offering those 15 places to those with really high ATARs, however, the ones with the high ATARs will be more likely to head interstate for Medicine or Dentistry elsewhere. Hence, a lot of them will reject the offer. La Trobe will know this, hence they have to over-offer by quite a large margin in order to counter the fact that their rejection rates will be higher. This means that there might have to be forced deferrals again due to the high over-offering. This will then lead onto next year as well...etc.
Hmm, not entirely true. I doubt people would take dentistry interstate if they got an offer from La Trobe - because La Trobe is in their home state and that.
And if your theory about the high ATARs going interstate for medicine etc is true, this would have happened this year as well. Yet the ATAR cutoff for dentistry at La Trobe is fairly high anyway.
And Russ has a point.
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In response to discussion about interstate, lots of people would move interstate, since it's pretty much the same, plus you've got more prestige in uq and Adelaide . Particularly uq because it's now arguably the best undergrad dent school, and to be honest my professor told me if one wants to specialize their chnces are much higher. Even in second year I've got friends leaving la trobe via transfer for these two ins. So I guess what I'm saying is la trobe will definately over offer but in proportion to the spots, so maybe thirty to th fifteen....
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Even though I may not be able to get into Latrobe (because I dont have all the prereq's) I find it dissapointing that they could not handle this situation. They offer 45 places into their dentistry course, 30 of which will be taken by those who will be forced to have a gap year, or defer. That leaves 15 places to the graduates of 2012. Honestly. That many people want to do dentistry, what will the cut off be, 99.95?
How much better could they have handled it, after making the over offer error? Kick all thirty out? There are other schools kid can go to... Like Griffith and csu...
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No, I have a friend who applied for Dentistry at La Trobe, Adelaide and UQ. He got all three. He's now going to Adelaide because he doesn't want to live in Bendigo, he prefers to live in a city, which is fair enough. There are probably other reasons as well. La Trobe Bendigo isn't exactly Melbourne anymore, so there's little difference between moving to Bendigo and to Adelaide/Brisbane.
And as iffets12345 said, another reason is reputation. Adelaide and UQ are possibly the best undergraduate dental schools in Australia.
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Well some people want to go home on the weekends.. It's easier to train 2 hours from bendigo than it is to plane and then bus from adelaide.
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btw bored, are you planning to join bohds? :)
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What's that again??
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Bendigo Oral Health and Dentistry Society.
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Well some people want to go home on the weekends.. It's easier to train 2 hours from bendigo than it is to plane and then bus from adelaide.
Do people normally do that?
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Well some people want to go home on the weekends.. It's easier to train 2 hours from bendigo than it is to plane and then bus from adelaide.
Do people normally do that?
yea they do
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Does anybody know when La trobe scholarships come out?
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Bendigo Oral Health and Dentistry Society.
How do I join??
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umm didn't you get some form or something in your enrolment pack? Anyways in o-week u get sent to stalls to sign up if you want :). Join Bohds!
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Does anybody know when La trobe scholarships come out?
They only give one scholarship to a Dentistry Cohort. This is because Dentistry students are easily the highest achieving academically from VCE, and they can't give thirty scholarships to an entire cohort. In my year it was a girl who got 99.85... so yea. Unless you're from a rural or aboriginal background then thats the only scholarship you can get at this stage.
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@iffet: okay so what about other courses?
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umm didn't you get some form or something in your enrolment pack? Anyways in o-week u get sent to stalls to sign up if you want :). Join Bohds!
Is there anything good to go to during O-week? Because I'm thinking of just going to the dentistry specific ones and maybe a couple random events on Tuesday and Wednesday, and then just heading back to Melbourne on Wednesday afternoon.
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i dont think im going to O-week.. im not back until the 21st anyway..
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http://www.latrobe.edu.au/students/student-documents/BUN-O-WEEK-2012.pdf
I found this for those that are interested.
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Random, but what are the other well known courses at La Trobe, I know it's known for its Dentistry and Physio courses :P
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umm didn't you get some form or something in your enrolment pack? Anyways in o-week u get sent to stalls to sign up if you want :). Join Bohds!
Is there anything good to go to during O-week? Because I'm thinking of just going to the dentistry specific ones and maybe a couple random events on Tuesday and Wednesday, and then just heading back to Melbourne on Wednesday afternoon.
I guess just typical O-week things, tours around uni, things to sign up for, freebies to get. I encourage you to go cause its a good experience to do the newbie things, plus don't u have to do some res things too? Its better to go to not miss out on socialising opportunities. Lots of free transport to things and stuff. But I went back after I did all that stuff, which was thurs morning.
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Random, but what are the other well known courses at La Trobe, I know it's known for its Dentistry and Physio courses :P
Most unconventional health sciences like Pharmacy, Speech path, podiatry (Only course in vic i think), and Outdoor education/whatever the othr outdoor courses. La Trobe has an international standard for their outdoor courses (the camping, national park tourism and park rangers kind of thing) accordig to my friend who does the course. Other than that I guess they just cater to rural students who find it harder to get into metropolitan unis tbh.
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There's also Prosthetics and Orthotics
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Don't they have chiropractic as well?
But yeah, La Trobe seem to have a lot of allied health courses that aren't anywhere else. You're right Speech Pathology, Podiatory (one of my friends is doing Podiatory!!)
And yeah, prosthetics :) (Thanks Thushan!)
I guess you're right in saying that they cater for rural students, but they're also quite well known for the allied health courses.
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Don't they have chiropractic as well?
But yeah, La Trobe seem to have a lot of allied health courses that aren't anywhere else. You're right Speech Pathology, Podiatory (one of my friends is doing Podiatory!!)
And yeah, prosthetics :) (Thanks Thushan!)
I guess you're right in saying that they cater for rural students, but they're also quite well known for the allied health courses.
Speech pathology is present at Melb Uni too :D
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That's graduate entry thush, doesn't count :P :P
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Yea, the allied health courses and the rural student catering.... but I'll be honest, sometimes in Dentistry one can feel really isolated because I find it difficult to relate to some of the other students in a rural setting..
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Don't they have chiropractic as well?
But yeah, La Trobe seem to have a lot of allied health courses that aren't anywhere else. You're right Speech Pathology, Podiatory (one of my friends is doing Podiatory!!)
And yeah, prosthetics :) (Thanks Thushan!)
I guess you're right in saying that they cater for rural students, but they're also quite well known for the allied health courses.
Speech pathology is present at Melb Uni too :D
Not that much different to Latrobe. Just a year longer. Plus, there are guaranteed entry places for ATAR 96+ for Master of Speech Pathology. SO its like a double degree in Science/Speech Pathology for 5 years with ATAR cut 96.
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Yea, the allied health courses and the rural student catering.... but I'll be honest, sometimes in Dentistry one can feel really isolated because I find it difficult to relate to some of the other students in a rural setting..
Believe me, there are A LOT of metro students doing Dent at La Trobe
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Yea, the allied health courses and the rural student catering.... but I'll be honest, sometimes in Dentistry one can feel really isolated because I find it difficult to relate to some of the other students in a rural setting..
Believe me, there are A LOT of metro students doing Dent at La Trobe
FYI she is a 2nd year dent student
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@paulsterio No... I meant the entire uni in general. I meant to say like, being a dentistry student, with particular interests and attitudes towards life, differs greatly to the rural culture many students have who are attending La Trobe as a rural alternative to Monash/Melbourne.....
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Ohhh right, I understand! :D
And oh, sorry, I kinda mis-understood! :)
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haha. Also guys (this might apply to thushan and paul), make sure you're on top of your credentials. Get all your shots and checks (WWC and Police) and stay on top of those! They are such a pain in the ass, especially when you've only got the weekend to sort things out and do appointments.
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Any predictions on what the atar cut off will be next year?
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99.50+